Exhibit #6,000,000 why women should not be educated nor allowed to have a position of authority in spiritual matters.
I love that she straight up admits that it wasn't any logic or convincing argument that pulled her astray, but simply an emotional concern over social approval and outsider perception. That's all it took for her to wander into heresy, according to her own words.
@Insomnolant maybe it's because I was raised Mormon that I have a bit more of a unique outlook on this. Their belief is that hell (outer darkness, as they call it) does exist, but the only way to go there is if you know for an absolute fact that God exists and you still deny it. They acknowledge that the vast majority of people will probably end up in the "terrestrial kingdom" which is more or less like earth but eternal, and some people will end up in the "telestial kingdom" which is a degree below but certainly not as bad as the typical depiction of hell.
That is to say, perhaps since I was raised that way, I think that if hell even exists, it's nigh impossible to actually go there. For various reasons. We also can't be the judge of who is saved or not, that's up to God.
@beardalaxy That's a nice fortress of copium you've constructed, but you would be far better served leaving your comfortable story you tell yourself and seeking truth in the Word of God and in prayer with your Heavenly Father.
@Insomnolant well I'm telling you what they believe, not necessarily what I believe. I'm just saying it might have influenced what I ended up believing ultimately and it's that I don't think the vast majority of people will go to hell, if a hell even exists at all beyond being a concept as a wayward soul detached from God, rather than a physical place.
There are a lot of interpretations of the Bible to the point where 3 entirely different major religions came from the old testament, and within those religions are many sects that also have their own interpretations. I think it's impossible to know for sure what the original intention was, especially because it's been changed. I personally believe some of the concept of hell was used as a way to scare people into submission from the Catholic church, and there is a decent amount of the modern interpretation of hell that comes from other, non-canon sources as well.
The foundational texts of Judaism as it is declared today were written later than each of the books in the Christian New testament and each of the books in Christian New testament were written later than each of the books in the Christian Old Testament according to "official" history sources
Now the books being combined into a single book of books was later then when they were originally written
Judaism was not based on the Old Testament
Islam is complicated
If there is a afterlife and people's free will to make bad decisions is not forcibly removed then there has to be something like a purgatory or Hell as long as people can continue to make decisions that harm themselves or others in the after life
The only way for there to be a heaven is to segregate out all the people that would choose to continue to make harmful decisions
This is not based on the text of any religious book but based on thinking things through
Muhammad might have heard stories from different Jewish and Christian people and combined them with stories from people from other religious traditions he heard but could not read
He might have then scrambled everything together
He may have additionally added other things of his own or some people believe that a demon told him
He might have had some delusions
He met someone from the Church of the East -> Rejects God being a biological parent -> Nestorian history
1 Timothy 2:11-12
New International Version
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet.
Footnotes
1 Timothy 2:11 Or wife; also in verse 12
1 Timothy 2:12 Or over her husband
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+2%3A11-12&version=NIV
34 Women[a] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[b]
Footnotes
1 Corinthians 14:34 Or peace. As in all the congregations of the Lord’s people, 34 women
1 Corinthians 14:35 In a few manuscripts these verses come after verse 40.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+14%3A34-35&version=NIV
@shortstories @Insomnolant then Jesus comes around and saves a literal whore from being stoned, criticizing those who were attacking her. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I hope you understand what I mean without me having to spell it out in exhaustive terms lol. God's Grace is for everyone.
God's grace is for everyone, but not everyone will accept it. Jesus was very clear about that.
Matthew 19:23-26
Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
@beardalaxy @Insomnolant
SHAWN MCCRANEY
used to have a live call in show from Salt Lake city Utah to discuss Mormonism
He wrote books including but not limited to "knife to a gunfight" and "born again Mormon"
He goes into great detail about problems with the Canonization of scripture in "knife to a gunfight" without saying that the Bible is a worthless book to read and it is a very useful book to understand different perspectives people have on interpreting the Bible
Was free online