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@thomasroiloup Speechless at the flatness of the unconscious propaganda presented as deep social commentary

:raiden::ocelot::solidus::solidsnakemgs2::otacon2::vamp::fatman::campbellai: eat cereal

@hakui @Suiseiseki @hfaust

> "open source" is the "latinx" of free software huh

It's more like "You're *Mexican*?"
youremexican.mp4

@Suiseiseki @hfaust

> The only working way to detect integer overflow is to use a compiler built-in

On gcc, anyway.

@HiroProtagonist

@fba Was it something I said? https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/AshSH98FBqziV2cdSC

@m0xEE @icedquinn @miscbrains

> I haven't seen these massive scrapes in Geminispace, I think it doesn't even blip on their corporate radar.

They didn't happen on fedi until people used fedi. I don't think there's going to be a similar buzz about Gemini.

@dcc @jae @mint @newsmast @nyanide @pwm @sun Anyone can get an instance to block them by spamming gamer words. Not everyone can get blocked for connecting the dots.

@dcc @jae @mint @newsmast @nyanide @pwm @sun lol

lmao
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@m0xEE @icedquinn @miscbrains I like datacenters, though!

I would not mind seizing the means of computation, if people are looking for guild.

@RedTechEngineer @icedquinn @miscbrains Whether or not it is scraping, I think it's fine.

@StarProphet @Folklore @SilverDeth

> @Doll

Is decayable.ink blocked there or just Doll?

> Final Fantasy Tactics is awesome.

Loads of fun.

> I would make my magic users go through the Mediator job to acquire “Equip gun,”

I just got all of the characters maxed out in either Calculator or Dancer, so range was unlimited.

@miscbrains @icedquinn @ins0mniak Ah. Makin' pruno?

@Humpleupagus @icedquinn @miscbrains

> I do believe that at a very fundamental level, Materialism can't explain consciousness.

That question isn't particularly meaningful without a definition of consciousness.

> and the brain is akin to an antenna that interfaces that medium.

There's a famous theory along these lines; the guy that made ZTD made a bit about it, but it's an old one, and I don't remember the name of the theory.

> I also assume that physically, the system requires synaptic isolation and cross-talk / bleed. The fact it creates / projects one unified experience tends to suggest cross-talk / convergence at some level.

I think that this is an involuntary process that occurs in the brain via communication. You slow your pace in the grocery store because they put on a slow song: the speaker isn't conscious, but we use music to communicate and the people that were able to ignore it are dead. Same with someone saying something to you that you can't forget, it keeps ringing in your ears while you try to sleep. That happens to everyone, meaning the people it doesn't happen to are dead, meaning it's probably important to our survival.

> So I'm not convinced that more cores would necessarily create consciousness,

Well, create a thing of comparable intelligence to a human. But like I said earlier, even that many cores wouldn't be comparable. In terms of "consciousness" (whatever that means), I don't have anything to say. As noted upthread, I think the system is too complex to simulate: we'd have to hollow out the moon to build something that could do it. We can enumerate all of the neurons in C. elegans and it is still incredibly computationally expensive to simulate that worm in a very uniform environment: https://github.com/openworm/OpenWorm . It can't be done in real-time on a desktop machine, and we're just simulating a handful of neurons and simulating the body the same way a game does, not with molecules but with a lot of hand-waving and simplification.

So we have these large language models and big companies with a lot of money are throwing around unprecedented amounts of it on a chatbot: this doesn't come close. It's an algorithm with a vast trove of data, it's not close to an entire brain. It's not even comparable.

> though it could probably imitate it,

What is the difference between consciousness and the imitation of consciousness?

@graf PDT. My clock is still PDT. (I did mention when UTC rolled over but I think I had been disconnected from IRC at that point.)

@miscbrains @icedquinn

> i'm hesitant to assign arbitrary amounts of OK to scrape based on what? market cap? being a "published article?" or in the public interest?

Well, the moral argument is essentially used only to shame the remorseless. It's largely moot and the internet is an anarchy zone: the defense against scraping is making it impossible to do, not figuring out who was in the wrong.

That having been said, I do have some thoughts on the moral question. TL;DR: destroy people's infrastructure by scraping bad, download data good.

Scraping, say, Github for example, does not effectively prevent people from using Github: you have to build Mirai in order to DoS Github. Scraping FSE stops people from using FSE. My mail server and personal website and DNS server were unreachable when Google was scraping my git repo, because they saturated the pipe. FSE and FediList both slowed to a crawl because Amazon and ClaudeBot started hammering the media server. What is an annoyance to one person's infrastructure is a DoS on another's. Breaking a site because you wanted to scrape it is unambiguously worse than just scraping it: whatever you are doing with the scraped data, you have prevented the legitimate users from using it. This is to defeat the purpose of the thing existing, in order to do something that the actual person running it does not want: they are paying out of pocket, putting time/money/effort into it. It's like those cruise ships that are allegedly destroying the city of Venice: apparently the displacement for a cruise ship full of boomers is enough to flood the town. So it's parasitic.

Second, there is why someone doesn't want to be scraped. If you buy a game and the company goes defunct and is no longer running the license validation servers, cracking that DRM is different from regular piracy. Youtube wants to show ads, collect analytics, and control "user experience": bypassing that by using youtube-dl is not any different from bypassing it with an ad-blocker. Is there a threshold below which it counts as "scraping"? If there were a browser plugin that replaced all of that crap on youtube.com with just the video you went there to watch, would anyone installing that plugin be scraping? Is curl any different from a browser that can do that? mpv has yt-dlp built in, and there are people whose job it is to periodically break yt-dlp. But questions of what actually constitutes scraping aside, YouTube is hostile: it's wrong to beat someone up, but if that person is trying to beat you up, then it's not the same thing. Youtube wants to avoid scraping so that it can violate everyone's privacy; people running fedi servers want to avoid scraping so that they can preserve their personal privacy.

Then there's the question of why someone is scraping. "I want to exploit your data for my own commercial gain and I'm willing to break your server to do it" is a very different justification from "I want to see this without executing malware" or "I would like to read these five paragraphs of text without burning my CPU at 100% for 30 seconds to prove that I am not a scraper, or I want to avoid these stupid autoplay videos that you keep cramming down my throat, or I don't want to feed the analytics engine for a guy that has called it 'speciesist' to be against the Singularity, or because I have objections to your attempt to control information."

I think I could go on but I think that's already too long.

@ins0mniak @icedquinn @miscbrains This is the nature of video games.

@Doll @Folklore @fknretardlol @SilverDeth @ForbiddenDreamer @coolboymew I will keep that in my pocket, though I did get my passport renewed in January so I may have to wait for the next one.

@charlie_root @jae @3T @BasedLunatic @Doll @Frank @Sui @dcc @ned @nyanide @restful @urbancamper_55