It amazes when someone says we don't have AI and starts rambling about needing to replicate neurons and nervous systems when we have actually done just that with AI and robotics. The fact so many prions still don't understand AI is not merely 1s & 0s but a digital replication of the brain is often psychologically painful for me. I realize prions are instinctual not rational creatures but damn. It is a puzzle to me as to why the Gods do not manifest more Dwarves even this late in the civilization cycle. Would that really make things too easy too quickly or something?
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Dwarves will come back when the environment and the material world change.
I disagree with you about the AI because at the end they are only 0s and 1s who can simulate a lot of our functionalities, specially physical ones, but they lack the capability of replacing humans as they lack consciousness in the sense that we don't operate in binary, there is the quantum effect of the observation effect that create/observe reality. Maybe with quantum computing, things might change.

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I don't buy Penrose's claim there is a quantum element to conciousness but I also consider it just an illusion anyway.

@dwarvenallfather
Ok, due to the possible interpretations, what is the definition of illusion for consciousness you're using?

Is it that it's an hallucination?
If so, caused by whom? Who then perceives it to be an hallucination that doesn't match reality?

What we think is a conscious perception of existence is simply a series of outputs from subsystems of our brain stitched together to seem a unified experience as that makes it easier to operate. It's similar to the concept of sentience, we have moments of it rather than a stream of it and that's cause our brains are a collection of systems all feeding data into each other. It feels like one stream but in reality it's many streams.

@dwarvenallfather
I gave the same answer once and it felt like I was wrong, missing something when I said it that I couldn't explain.
I still can't but I don't think we're only physical signals in a closed system, because logically that means everything we do is determined by our internal models and binary biology, which would create everything, like AI, an pre-determined output, effectively disproving the possibility of free will. Yet, I see proof around us there is a degree of free will...

...because our entire universe works on probabilities, there is a random bases along the constant of our universe, a combination of the two.
Also based on this probability, we as conscious beings can create alternatives possibilities, both from the past, we can create a new future in our forecasts (inside our minds) therefore creating time itself as it's only real since we're around to perceive it. There's a good video about it that I enjoyed it.
youtube.com/watch?v=pEo6eN9ZVn

@dwarvenallfather
Maybe. Logically I came to the conclusion it is because if free will wasn't real, everything would be predetermined and randomness and alternative possibilities wouldn't be possible, including the capability of modeling futures and analyzing causal occurrence themselves through time and other dimensions.
Although we're still not able to prove it either way with our current technology/enlightenment level.

@dwarvenallfather
It's fine. It's a valid theory and it's the best we have today as it's easily measurable and there are no physical evidences otherwise. It fits our scientific method doctrine.

Lol fair enough. I personally never take what's written as gospel, no matter the source.
I think Nietzsche is right about everything he wrote, yet I struggle to understand all of it and it's a great exercise when I come to a passage that I don't initially agree, to analyze and learn why I had such a reaction or how it conflicts with my own self-knowledge.

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