Honda Retreats To Hybrids After Failed EV Bet Triggers Record $9 Billion Loss https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/05/15/0244239/honda-retreats-to-hybrids-after-failed-ev-bet-triggers-record-9-billion-loss?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon
@jeffcliff @slashdot Nope. Not if you live in a country with winter, without places to charge them. Add to that, that they cost about 1.5-2x of the equivalent gasoline driven car, have less range, and over their life cycle, destroy the environment more.
In their current shape, they are nothing but a con.
> Add to that, that they cost about 1.5-2x of the equivalent gasoline driven car,
...until you factor in the cost of gas
And the 'have less range' advantage is getting awful thin. For hybrids it's almost nonexistent.
the *ONLY* question is 'without places to charge them' which, in north america, is a narrowing area with time and already not an issue for the vast majority of people.
The nordic countries are leading the way for what canada is going to follow, the only real issue is the "who knows what we'll be paying tomorrow" tariffs make manufacturing vehicles in north america risky. That's it.
@jeffcliff @slashdot Incorrect. They lose about half the reach.
As for cost, electricity in europe is so expensive, there's no great difference, once you factor in the 1.5-2x cost of a car.
But sure... if you live in africa and drive all day long, there might be a case. But for europe, with european electricity prices and temperatures, gasoline powered cars are the cheapeast option.
I can buy a good used one for 5-10k EUR and it will last 20
@jeffcliff @slashdot years. Compare that with a 70k EUR electric, and I can travel enormous distances only due to the initial price difference.
@jeffcliff @slashdot https://carup.se/elbilar-tappar-over-40-i-kyla-man-maste-planera/
Read and weep environmental man!
@jeffcliff @slashdot Ahh... you are afraid of the truth... so afraid indeed, that translating is not possible? =)
>Incorrect. They lose about half the reach.
Great. For a current year honda EV that's ~500km which is enough for the vast majority of people and trips
> As for cost, electricity in europe is so expensive, there's no great difference,
Which is why everyone in the nordic countries is switching to it?
If your electricity is expensive, maybe don't shut down your nuclear power plants. Also I find it hard to believe gas is cheaper over there than here, where we are literally in the middle of the world's largest oil supply
@jeffcliff @slashdot Are you mad? If the car loses half its range, its defective. Apply that thinking to a gasoline driven car, and the vendor would have to replace it.
It also pushes up the cost of driving 2x. You have been fooled!
As for sweden, 7% is electric, so no, you are plain wrong there. As for norway, they are socialist, and are swimming in oil, so you got like 50% of the cost subsidized by the government. So that is political and has onthing to do with technology.
> Are you mad? If the car loses half its range, its defective. Apply that thinking to a gasoline driven car, and the vendor would have to replace it.
Not if it doesn't involve dying for oil in the middle east, or destabilizing our atmosphere. Every single person I know, including myself hasn't been bothered by it. 500km range is enough for a lot if not the vast majority of people, including my household.
> It also pushes up the cost of driving 2x. You have been fooled!
No, it hasn't. It's net cheaper to not have to use gas, and to not have to repair the ~50x more complexity in an ICE vehicle.
> As for norway, they are socialist,
You say this like it's a bad thing.
> and are swimming in oil, so you got like 50% of the cost subsidized by the government.
As opposed to the US which does the same thing with fossil fuel cars within living memory having to bail out the entire gas guzzling auto industry? Vehicle manufacture is a subsidized and regulated industry, period.
> So that is political and has onthing to do with technology.
No, it's everything to do with technology. They invested in technology that made it possible to do this both as individuals and as a society.
@dt_oid @slashdot @jeffcliff This is the way!
@jeffcliff @Deunan @dt_oid @slashdot We have spiritual harmony of opinion on this! Excellent!
@dt_oid @Deunan @slashdot @jeffcliff Due to the security concerns and accidents, it seems car manufacturers are now more and more returning to buttons.
Don't even give a shit if EVs are funner to drive and actually somehow better for the environment, the reality is it's just not going to fucking work with the way things are and they should stop wasting my money subsidizing this garbage. I don't give a shit about the middle east.
> Existing car companies going hard on EVs is retarded.
No, it's not retarded, it's necessary and desirable.
> Anybody who wants an EV can buy a Tesla
Tesla needs competition if or no reason other than that it's proprietary and locked down as fuck, and elon musk benefits from every car sold. And while it is true that he is part canadian most of the benefits to him getting fantastically richer stay with him/the US
> Normal people want shit they know they can fill up absolutely anywhere
First of all, electricity is everywhere. Secondly, no they don't care about whether or not you can fill up in antarctica or wherever boonies you are talking about, becuase they don't go there.
> and isn't going to be worthless in 10 years because the battery has turned into an enormous paperweight.
And if batteries continue to get cheaper, as they have been? Then in 10 years not only will it not be worthless it'll be one cheap battery away from being almost as valuaable as new. Car manufacturers are scared shitless of this fact because they know right well that if their competition starts building recycleable, replacable batteries their 'buy a car every N years' gig is done.
> somehow better for the environment,
They are.
> the reality is it's just not going to fucking work with the way things are
They are already working, this isn't a hypothetical. Nations like norway are ahead of the curve and showing us what we will be doing in a decade or two.
> and they should stop wasting my money subsidizing this garbage.
That's fine. Stop wasting my money subsidizing your garbage, then.
> I don't give a shit about the middle east.
Clearly, but since you want to drive an oil-burning car you should be front of the line in the invasion of iran, but you're clearly not willing to do that, and as such are a hypocrite expecting someone else's children to do that for you.
CONTEND WITH THE ARGUMENT STOP GISHGALLOPING HOW DOES YOUR WORLD VIEW ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT EVS ARE HOMOSEXUAL
They're turning the electrons gay!
@jeffcliff @Deunan @dt_oid @dumpster @slashdot This is incorrect. Omos have mental illness but they can be cured with therapy and medicine.
The fact that society accepts mental illness and does nothing to cure it, is sad and a sign of a declining society.
@dt_oid @slashdot @jeffcliff This is the truth!
@jeffcliff @slashdot I couldn't care less what some ogaboga culture does in their ogaboga countries. I can buy oil from the US or Norway, and if you remove all socialist taxes, gasoline becomes ridiculously cheap.
As for being affected, I pay about 1.6 EUR per l or so, and with my car that's nothing, compared with the ROI I get from driving in a gasoline car from point A to point B and back without using socialist public transport.
