i do not see how thing will get better in europe. the open borders/population replacement is going strong in many countries and citizens are doing fuckall about it. the rusophobia is making energy and cost of manufacturing skyrocketing so companies are shutting down or moving away and everything is becoming expensive. this will simply not change, especially since russia is now done with the west as well. europe lacks natural resources, there is just no future here but slow decline..
@Justicar European countries are in very different situations. The above apply to germany but not to any eastern European country. I recommend you look at them case by case, when the eu breaks up (or the euro fails), things will change very fast.
@Zeb yes, it is more complicated exactly because EU is not USA. but that does not change what i said. some countries have demographics issues but all of them have and will have economic ones. europe can produce goods and services, it's not "the old continent" for nothing. but it is lacking natural resources due to its industrialization behind ahead of anyone else in the past. europe's survival literally depends on russia's imports of natural resources. without them, europe cannot compete.
@Zeb if anything, ukraine conflict exposed how fragile europe truly is with its dependency on cheap imports of natural resources, primarily energy(gas and oil). this is also why they are taxed so high - because they are so cheap. right now, this bubble has popped and europe will need to haul ass to figure out the new way of doing things because russia is done with it. problem is that the unelected bureaucrats are doing none of this and it is essentially already too late to fix or even mitigate
@Justicar Agree. It's too late and the west collapse is already determined, we're just going through the motions. The difficult part is knowing how the new independent european countries will play out after the communist eu breaks up.
I still believe most countries will benefit from the end of this bullshit experiment, specially the ones who have been artificially suppressed through the euro.