@suquili Great movie. Shame the second one isn't nearly as good.
@RegalBeagle it's me and my friends' favorite. we were mad hyped for the sequel and I ended up seeing it a second time with my sister. enjoyed it but it is definitely lacking. the diversity and gay-coded characters certainaly didn't help. i might rewatch it, been on a bit of a pixar binge the last couple days.
they also announced a third one for like 2027 or so, and even though I'll definitely see it, i fear the diversity will be even worse. on the other hand, a lot can happen in 3 years. if that prophetic 4chan post is to be believed, the third movie could be more like the first one to drive home that the 90s/00s America is BACK BABY lol
they also announced a third one for like 2027 or so, and even though I'll definitely see it, i fear the diversity will be even worse. on the other hand, a lot can happen in 3 years. if that prophetic 4chan post is to be believed, the third movie could be more like the first one to drive home that the 90s/00s America is BACK BABY lol
@suquili Hopefully the 3rd is good, but I'm not holding my breath. Disney is on a money burning spree, and I don't see any signs of them stopping.
@RegalBeagle i don't trust disney but i do trust brad bird from what i know about him, he'll prolly work within the boundaries as best he can. disney did shelf some overtly gay cartoon recently because of backlash so i have hope they're at least a little malleable. but yeah, nothing will ever capture how i felt being like 4 or 5 seeing the original in theaters. it was prolly my first movie i saw in theaters and god i was hooked instantly. i will never be as immersed in something as i was with that.
@suquili Bird's amazing and I can't help but think the mouse house kneecapped him. The twist villain had no setup, so the payoff was weak and her motivation was terrible. The current Disney zeitgeist is where creativity and quality go to die, so it's probably not his fault.
I actually just watched a mini doc on this topic. You may get a kick out of it, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ceg-ppNo4
@RegalBeagle watched the sequel yesterday, then this video. i pretty much agree. it's a very weak movie held up largely by fanservice (e.g. frozone getting more screentime, repeated lines and motifs) but the overall story i just wasn't as invested. i thought maybe it was just that I've seen the first movie so many times i basically know it by heart, but i really think there's too much going on at once and it hinders my immersion. the flashy animation doesn't help either, feels harder to identify characters.
as for the art direction, it's fine with the main characters but all of the extras and minor characters (like the new superheros) look awful (and too diverse for a movie that is supposed to look like 60s America). the new superheros look like they belong in a Dreamworks movie lmao, it's bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see any of them in the next movie, except Voyd because her powers were cool.
overall the biggest problem is that it's shallow. it's got maybe 25% as much depth as the original had. in the first one, everyone went through some character arc, but this one it didn't even feel like our protagonist Elastigirl went through one. By the time she stopped that train, her initial skepticism about returning to hero work was completely gone. But she didn't seem all that skeptical about it at the end of the first movie, partially because the implication at the end was that superheros had been legalized again. Aside from there being a scene officially declaring superheros legal, the second movie ends almost exactly the same as the first one.
as for the art direction, it's fine with the main characters but all of the extras and minor characters (like the new superheros) look awful (and too diverse for a movie that is supposed to look like 60s America). the new superheros look like they belong in a Dreamworks movie lmao, it's bad. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see any of them in the next movie, except Voyd because her powers were cool.
overall the biggest problem is that it's shallow. it's got maybe 25% as much depth as the original had. in the first one, everyone went through some character arc, but this one it didn't even feel like our protagonist Elastigirl went through one. By the time she stopped that train, her initial skepticism about returning to hero work was completely gone. But she didn't seem all that skeptical about it at the end of the first movie, partially because the implication at the end was that superheros had been legalized again. Aside from there being a scene officially declaring superheros legal, the second movie ends almost exactly the same as the first one.
