@spectre So you are going to blame a child if he is screaming, criying making a tantrum for a cake lets say or the parents that dont make the diciplinary actions need it to make the child stop. I see woman the same way they cant help themselves that is why patriarchy is so important and history proof me right they never give any rights until now and the few times that they given rights like in the Rome Empire everything fell apart so no if you take the hars true how it is the real problem Simps