This is how it goes, a step at a time.
Resist at all costs.
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/labour-digital-id-keir-starmer-newborns-ministers-secret-talks
@jeremiah
The UK is about to fully collapse economically into a civil war and they are still getting high on hard drugs. These people can't be saved, just hang them and be done with it.
It may be generally true of London, but not of Kent. It may well be true of Birmingham, but not most of the smaller towns and countryside.
Collapse is likely in most of the west, as most of the post-war economic system was built to break in the sense of planned obsolescence, only further underwritten by the nuances of trade arranagements that have pears from south america packaged in thailand, and sold in the united states; similar stupidity exists in the UK.
The problem for the people, as with most of the west, is an inability to properly articulate the problem, and thus, an inability to organize and deal with it.
It's made no easier for them by one of the the most effective and insidious thought police forces since the DDR's stasi. They're useless for law enforcement, but highly effective for speech and communications policing.
@jeremiah
That's a very interesting viewpoint and I would say it gives us a good path to follow. I agree that decentralization is the way, europeans need to segregate into different tribes and form a clear alliance among the ones that have the same goal - let the leaders rise naturally through competence.
But to determine the real life solutions, we need to know how they want their society to be. That's something I see barely anyone articulating properly and honestly and how we get there.
> But to determine the real life solutions, we need to know how they want their society to be.
That's going to be as variable as the individual, but can be reasonably sectioned as intersections of rural/urban and predominant industry. Eg, farming and fishing have a lot in common, but they are not the same. The perspectives of people in a city will almost certainly be different to those in a small town.
What they have in common is small enough to make things simple:
* no government (local, regional, national) politicians with a dual citizenship in any kind of elected or appointed position.
* X first, where X is the country in which a government serves. Your town first, your region first, your nation first. Everything outside should be subject to referenda either in approval or veto.
* 100% transparent government: no more secrets, no more backroom deals, no more treacherous treaties, and the personal financies of every elected official should be available for review by everyone effected by their position.
* property rights, rights to self defense. No one should be beholden to indifferent bureaucrats when their lives, livelihoods, and wealth are on the line.
* radical reconsideration of communications, censorship, etc. It should never be illegal to express an opinion, no matter how unpopular, but it should be illegal to transmit pornography and abuse content.
* complete replacement, or at least review, of all public servants at every level, with an eye towards booting the majority: if they weren't "part of the problem", they almost certainly weren't helping. Those that were should be obvious, and subject to a raise.
... things like this are simple, powerful, and impossible without some serious organization that is indifferent to the machinations of current governance and law. In a word, "revolutionary".
This should form a framework in which local flavors are added and local considerations govern and additional, limited layer of law and regulation, including taxation.
@jeremiah
Those are gigantic changes when coming from our current society and how it's culturally, economically and politically structured.
Let's talk logistics: everything you say can be defined as balkanizing: essentially separating smaller parts of the country into effectively a new country, which would then ally themselves with other communities.
That will work but not without blood and the inevitable war. Very similar to Yugoslavia or depending on the country, to the US independence war.
@jeremiah
I love Balkanization. I use it positively because is necessary but there is a lot of conflict in the short term. Yugoslavia was a communist shithole of people who hated each other crammed together, but later they became their own countries and manage to prosper in their own way, as it should be.
I wish we could have more decentralization, specially in the west that has been held together by nothing other than money. I hope the revolution comes because changes are desperately needed.
i think the amount of bloodshed would depend on where, and to some degree, who. For example, I doubt there would be much in the UK countryside, but in Certain Places occupied by Certain Non-Indigenous People, it might be notably greater.
Yugoslavia was a case of using terror to check ethnic tensions and call it unity; as soon as that terror broke down, the tensions came back with vengeance. In the UK, that would be more neighborhood by neighborhood than region by region.
Any such movement would need to be very clear about who stays, who goes, and what the consequences for non-compliance are.
I used the word "revolutionary" deliberately because, yes, it would be a radical, massive shift... for some people. For others, not so much. Consider that the depression of the 1930s was felt highly in the middle and upper classes in the city, and almost not at all by midwestern farmers.
In a place like the UK, their legal and political system is like an ancient forest aggregated over time, so it would take a great deal of care to develop a plan that respects the culture while pragmatically solving the problems... this is not impossible, just tedious.
Consider that the changes that actually occurred there from the 1890s to the 1950s are no less radical than the proposition presented here.
In the US, we've had effectively four revisions of the country that more or less follow an 80 year cycle. The first being the revolution to the civil war, the second being the civil War to WW2, the present being WW2 to present, and we're due for another any day now as midcentury to present is 80 years-ish.
Whatever is organized and prepared for such changes is influential, if not dominant. Whatever isn't, is generally swept aside.