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@monarchist Means 'whatever needs to be done/said/etc for "goals", even if it goes against one's ethics. However I dont believe pragmatists have such a thing as ethics (1/2 kidding). It's also a short way of saying "I sell out". @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

@heretical_i @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

By definition, if ethics (reframing: big social goals) are sacrificed in order to make small goals happen, then pragmatism would be a rejection of ethics.

@heretical_i @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

I do not agree. Any behavior standard involves goals, if abstracted to the level of consequences.

The politicians make sure 'education' indoctrinates the herd. It's the law you know @monarchist? Did you mean that cosmic cookie author Virginia Safir? Havent seen that name since the 1970s @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

I dont buy your reframung. You're describing morals then, which are mutable. Ethics arent @monarchist @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

Linguist? Absolutely. Safir is a propagandist for 'cosmic hipster' proglibs last I knew.. in the late 1970s @monarchist If I wanted a linguist I'd read chomsky, thanks @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

@h4890 @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot

And that's Sapir-Whorf in a nutshell.

Our real problem is not politicians, but the herd.

The herd likes easy answers.

Those are always lies!

@monarchist @h4890 @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot >Lots of words have been ruined by democracy.
Pragmatism doesn't mean compromise, these two are sort of adjacent and can work together, but definitely not synonyms.

@h4890 @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot

Lots of words have been ruined by democracy.

The reason I emphasize hard realism: look at what actual changes are made to physical reality, not what we can sell to people politically or is likely to happen.

Aim for a real goal, not a compromise, in other words.