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@heretical_i @monarchist @Palky55 @freepatriot

My original reference to pragmaticism was to the american school of philosophy. And there is, in fact, a pragmatist kind of ethics, although it is disputed. Some argue (and I do think they have a point) that pragmatist ethics is purely descriptive and not normative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatic_ethics .

@monarchist Means 'whatever needs to be done/said/etc for "goals", even if it goes against one's ethics. However I dont believe pragmatists have such a thing as ethics (1/2 kidding). It's also a short way of saying "I sell out". @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

@heretical_i @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

By definition, if ethics (reframing: big social goals) are sacrificed in order to make small goals happen, then pragmatism would be a rejection of ethics.

@heretical_i @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

I do not agree. Any behavior standard involves goals, if abstracted to the level of consequences.

The politicians make sure 'education' indoctrinates the herd. It's the law you know @monarchist? Did you mean that cosmic cookie author Virginia Safir? Havent seen that name since the 1970s @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

I dont buy your reframung. You're describing morals then, which are mutable. Ethics arent @monarchist @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

Linguist? Absolutely. Safir is a propagandist for 'cosmic hipster' proglibs last I knew.. in the late 1970s @monarchist If I wanted a linguist I'd read chomsky, thanks @h4890 @Palky55 @freepatriot

@monarchist @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot

Amen!

Note that modern socialism loves to weaponize language and villify people who use the wrong words.

In europe the left are introducing neutral gender words to mask the truth that only male and female exists.

Negro, just saying the word, can get you fines and prison.

Lately any criticism of islam can land you in prison too.

I'm just waiting for the clash between the

@monarchist @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot leftist gender deniers and the moslem immigrants. That will surely be a fireworks show to remember!

If the politicians control your language, they control you and your thoughts. This is important to remember.

@h4890 @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot

And that's Sapir-Whorf in a nutshell.

Our real problem is not politicians, but the herd.

The herd likes easy answers.

Those are always lies!

@monarchist @h4890 @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot >Lots of words have been ruined by democracy.
Pragmatism doesn't mean compromise, these two are sort of adjacent and can work together, but definitely not synonyms.

@h4890 @Palky55 @heretical_i @freepatriot

Lots of words have been ruined by democracy.

The reason I emphasize hard realism: look at what actual changes are made to physical reality, not what we can sell to people politically or is likely to happen.

Aim for a real goal, not a compromise, in other words.