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Or I think what your gut tells you:

* Monarchy
* Zero socialism
* Culture
* Few laws

Cutting red tape and dependency ends most of the problems; you still need a social direction or things fall apart, and only culture can do that.

Then you need to stop the self-manipulation echo chamber feedback loop of democracy, oligarchy, et al.

After that... you have made a new world, simply by cutting out bits from the old.... and cutting out the bloated, parasitic, and dysfunctional bits of the old.

@h4890 @freepatriot

I always liked the seasteading idea, if you could find an area of calm seas.

@h4890 @freepatriot

Meaning occurs in groups as well as in individuals.

Individualists do not agree of course.

People as a group need purpose and direction or you get tragedy of the commons.

Culture is quite important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjBBmPmMKog

Our recent discussion was about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq0ivv4Grdk

Sounds lovely, all of that is illegal where I grew up 😂

@monarchist @freepatriot That's the only asymmetrical way for a small nation to exist. Black mail, that is, having 0% taxes and banks allowing anonymous customers, in the hope of attracting leading western politicians, and then blackmail them, is probably the most realistic way.

The only other way, that can be done as we speak, is the digital nomad, roaming from country to country, while being taxed in no country, or if you're wealthy buy a yacht.

The sci-fi angle might work when we can

@monarchist @freepatriot mine the oceans, or live comfortably in the antarctic, alternatively, bribe/force your way in a tiny third world country. But you need to be a billionaire to do that.

@monarchist @freepatriot Well, I disagree with plato. Today we have massive disagreement on goals between the 200 or so countries that exist, and money and markets, have been one of mankinds best and most powerful inventions, that provably have improved the lives of billions.

I think this is Platos upper class upbringing that is shining through here. But I do agree that an important factor here is stability. Or rather, can lack of stability be had, while still having peace?

@monarchist @freepatriot The thing is... todays options are so bad, that even though many disagree with you, I think many would actually prefer your way than todays way in the end.

1-4 any libertarian would agree with, and even 5, they would, although 5 is by nature not well specified.

@monarchist @freepatriot This is the truth!

In my case, my company is setup in a way so that _everyone_ gets paid by the hour. That makes it very easy to see who is good!

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2025/07/23/ai-coding-platform-deletes-company-database-calls-it-a-catastrophic-error-in-judgment/

@monarchist @freepatriot

I disagree here. I'd argue that libertarians do not _deny_ the goal/meaning. They argue, that this is up to you to come up with or adopt, since forcing it on you would be an aggressive act. I believe that ultimately, the only meaning/goals you'll ever have are ones you decide on yourself. Now that could mean that others decide on the same goal, but that's up to each and everyone.

Now when it comes to stability, I agree with you! Libertarianism is beautiful and the

@monarchist @freepatriot only ethical way to run society we have. The problem though, is its inherent instability. "Herding cats" is a good illustration, and another one is to look to history and point at the nr of successful libertarian communities (long term) that exist, and basically you have none. I think probably the longest lasting might be the viking settlement of iceland which laster a hundred year, or a few hundred at most, before transforming into something less libertarian.

@monarchist @freepatriot The billion dollar question is, how can one "fuse" the liberty of choosing ones goals and values, with the stability of pushing a cultural package from above (for instance, nationalism)? If that is solved, we've have come a long way towards ethical public management.

The only way to run libertarian communities today that I see are as small microstates like Monaco and Liechtenstein, supported by blackmail and threats of biological or nuclear warfare and sleeper agents.

I grew up in the rugged mountains of West Virginia. Hunting, fishing and camping. Loved camping in the cold snow and hunting deer. No tent, just a good bag or bed roll, a fire and canvas tarp. Good times. I think the good Lord he let me grow up in those mountains.