Honda Retreats To Hybrids After Failed EV Bet Triggers Record $9 Billion Loss https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/05/15/0244239/honda-retreats-to-hybrids-after-failed-ev-bet-triggers-record-9-billion-loss?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon
@slashdot Read my lips... for regular people the technology is not yet mature. Maybe in 5-10 years, maybe.
@jeffcliff @slashdot Nope. Not if you live in a country with winter, without places to charge them. Add to that, that they cost about 1.5-2x of the equivalent gasoline driven car, have less range, and over their life cycle, destroy the environment more.
In their current shape, they are nothing but a con.
> Add to that, that they cost about 1.5-2x of the equivalent gasoline driven car,
...until you factor in the cost of gas
And the 'have less range' advantage is getting awful thin. For hybrids it's almost nonexistent.
the *ONLY* question is 'without places to charge them' which, in north america, is a narrowing area with time and already not an issue for the vast majority of people.
The nordic countries are leading the way for what canada is going to follow, the only real issue is the "who knows what we'll be paying tomorrow" tariffs make manufacturing vehicles in north america risky. That's it.
@jeffcliff @slashdot Incorrect. They lose about half the reach.
As for cost, electricity in europe is so expensive, there's no great difference, once you factor in the 1.5-2x cost of a car.
But sure... if you live in africa and drive all day long, there might be a case. But for europe, with european electricity prices and temperatures, gasoline powered cars are the cheapeast option.
I can buy a good used one for 5-10k EUR and it will last 20
>Incorrect. They lose about half the reach.
Great. For a current year honda EV that's ~500km which is enough for the vast majority of people and trips
> As for cost, electricity in europe is so expensive, there's no great difference,
Which is why everyone in the nordic countries is switching to it?
If your electricity is expensive, maybe don't shut down your nuclear power plants. Also I find it hard to believe gas is cheaper over there than here, where we are literally in the middle of the world's largest oil supply
@jeffcliff @slashdot Are you mad? If the car loses half its range, its defective. Apply that thinking to a gasoline driven car, and the vendor would have to replace it.
It also pushes up the cost of driving 2x. You have been fooled!
As for sweden, 7% is electric, so no, you are plain wrong there. As for norway, they are socialist, and are swimming in oil, so you got like 50% of the cost subsidized by the government. So that is political and has onthing to do with technology.
> Are you mad? If the car loses half its range, its defective. Apply that thinking to a gasoline driven car, and the vendor would have to replace it.
Not if it doesn't involve dying for oil in the middle east, or destabilizing our atmosphere. Every single person I know, including myself hasn't been bothered by it. 500km range is enough for a lot if not the vast majority of people, including my household.
> It also pushes up the cost of driving 2x. You have been fooled!
No, it hasn't. It's net cheaper to not have to use gas, and to not have to repair the ~50x more complexity in an ICE vehicle.
> As for norway, they are socialist,
You say this like it's a bad thing.
> and are swimming in oil, so you got like 50% of the cost subsidized by the government.
As opposed to the US which does the same thing with fossil fuel cars within living memory having to bail out the entire gas guzzling auto industry? Vehicle manufacture is a subsidized and regulated industry, period.
> So that is political and has onthing to do with technology.
No, it's everything to do with technology. They invested in technology that made it possible to do this both as individuals and as a society.
@dt_oid @Deunan @slashdot @jeffcliff Due to the security concerns and accidents, it seems car manufacturers are now more and more returning to buttons.
