@matty Don't we all have a subconscious desire to defy the norm and test the limits, even if there's no personal benefit involved?
Unless we built something ourselves, it's not exactly unusual to want to tear it down. That's not a problem, it's how animals shit test each other.
The problem is exactly the opposite, the weakness, the complacency, the desire for stability/peace/comfort even if the whole structure is corrupt.
We actually need more people willing to tear it all down.
@matty My political ideology is simple, the political system mostly doesn't matter as long as the majority is strong. Even democracy can work if we're talking about a group of 10 people who all have to put in the work and fight to survive. As long as most people are willing to kill for their freedom, we're ok. Right now, there's only one kind of power vacuum that I'm interested in, total normie death. I don't much care what fills the void, so long as collectivism doesn't survive the transition.
@matty Ah yes, "the optics". Ironic but not surprising.
Let's use your advice but for women, shall we? Why does a "stronger society need to pick them up"? Just don't be a retarded sperg, don't be a creep and scream about the patriarchy. You'd be surprised as to how receptive women can be, you incel.
Normies aren't "asleep", they aren't stupid, they are simply weak, like women. They need the collective to survive and thrive. The point of killing normies is precisely to avoid pointless debates
@matty If killing normies was a viable solution, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Normies will die, not because they're exterminated 1 by 1 (they're too many), but because they're weak and weakness kills. It's the natural order, only through endless money printing and unsustainable technological advancements, are most people still alive. Nature favors the strong, all my "political ideology" needs is a slight push from nature, it will happen sooner or later.
@matty @Based_Accelerationist up, down, up, down ...🏋️♂️
@AlabasterBrick @matty You're mixing tribal identity with collective, they may seem the same in theory but they're closer to opposites in practice. The more people around you, the more dependent and absorbed into the collective you are, the less obvious your identity becomes, even without multiculturalism.
Individualism doesn't mean you don't have a solid group, just like competition doesn't mean you stop cooperating, it actually works the opposite way. Your enemies are collectivists.
@matty Well believe it or not, tribal identity isn't necessarily the same as collectivism and tribes/groups can have varying degrees of individualism, even if they all share common values and discriminate against people outside of said tribe.
No contradiction but your own.
Also, the fact you're desperately trying to get a "gotcha moment", rather than focusing on the actual arguments, tells me you have no further insights. Again, not surprised.
@PensiveCowboy @matty @Based_Accelerationist if your ideals can't persuade your neighbors to work together... now, what affect would they have then?
@matty If you actually pay attention to what I'm saying, you'll see that I'm merely describing nature. Whereas you are daydreaming about anime fairytales where the protagonist convinces the villain with "facts and logic".
Does nature have "zero foresight or understanding" when it wipes out the weak? I think you should be more humble and accept that the universe knows better on how to deal with weakness.
As for not "acting like those you hate", I don't care for christian/shabbos goy morality.