@Mommy every sperm should result in a baby, and you should use every sperm you make
There is no other way
@Mommy condoms were invented to appease those who would force you to pull out otherwise
They're so fragile...
If I had 3 wishes from a genie I would wish for no condoms, no contraceptive pills, and no bedtime in that order.
@Saber @TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy I might want to argue that contraceptive pills are more destructive to society but there’s no doubt that condoms are the more viscerally disgusting.
@jimmybuffettfanaccount @Saber @TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy Thought: since these (((birth control pills))) as they currently exist damage the brain patterns of women so they will like a loser like will whedon and also joss whedon instead of real men, would they be considered rufees or however you spell those rape drugs? Just in a proxy way. Demographic changing rape drugs. IDK, just thinking here.
>rufees or however you spell those rape drugs?
Rohypnol. I've seen it written as "roofies" more often than not. (((Leo Sternbach))) created them. And Valium. Both cause amnesia.
@jimmybuffettfanaccount @Saber @TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy Unless you're totally poor you should avoid condoms. Contraceptive pills are out of the question
@branman65 @Mommy @Saber @jimmybuffettfanaccount exactly
Remember to keep it in a wallet or pocket for a while, just to be safe :smug:
@jimmybuffettfanaccount @Saber @TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy all contraceptive pills terminate fertilized eggs, so yes they are morally worse.
However, 'not killing babies' is hardly a high standard to be praised for. Condoms prerender the act they are used in as useless.
@Saber @Mommy not only that they don't exist but that they can't exist, gotta cover the far future too
@kf01 @Mommy @Saber so is pulling out
Let nature take its course as it should
@Saber @TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy Maybe I'm more selfish but I'd first wish for fixing my body and knowing all languages before eliminating the need for sleep
@0vtcast @Mommy @Saber I know I'm selfish
My third would be no child support 😁
@marine @Mommy @Saber @Hoss hey don't be too hard on them, if they're here they're obviously recovering from their illness
@HWABAG @Mommy @TURBORETARD9000 I always tell people if you feel like you need to use a condom you shouldn't be having sex with the person in the first place
@HWABAG @Mommy fun fact magnum is among the lower rated condoms for reliability
I can count on 1 hand how many times I've used one in my life. Bender isn't a couch either, there's no pulling out.

@Mommy @TURBORETARD9000 Condoms are just too obvious to not have been invented. I think I’ve heard they go back to at least Roman times, but per Wikipedia they’re well documented as an anti-disease (syphilis) measure as of the 15th Century, and birth control starting in the next century.

It’s perhaps correct in that prior to that birth control was considered to be the duty of women, I remember there’s a plant used as an abortifacient in Roman times that today we can’t match from the remaining descriptions to an existing plant.

@TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy I won’t necessarily disagree, but I’ll note modern … more like public health than medicine, but there’s an input like that, tells us older couples have high rates of Downs Syndrome babies. Per Wikipedia 3% by the time a mother is 45.

See Christian political examples in the last children of Sarah Palin (and perhaps more than anything else her refusal to abort that baby enraged the Left), and, hmmm, can’t remember now the other one.

So a general argument could be made for couples who have “enough” children to start using something that doesn’t screw with minds as we suspect (or know?) for birth control pills. Which prompted me to wonder if women who’ve implemented the above strategy with the pill are more likely to then divorce their husbands….

A hell of a lot of moving parts in all this, from individuals to societies. Might also add history belongs to those who show up, thus the issues with populations that are (way) below replacement rate in part due to birth control. At best as far as we can project, the subsets in them that still have children will take over sooner or later if they avoid getting conquered.

But there’s going to be a lot of pain getting to that point, including old age pensions and medicine being funded by steadily fewer people. And see the PRC after Deng’s one child policy which is collapsing now in part due to this, with a “4-2-1” extreme of grandparents, parents and one child.

@ThatWouldBeTelling @Mommy what if we make sure no women have unfertilized eggs before they're 35
Boom, no more >45 baby risks
> enough
What's that? I don't recognize that word

I haven't actually researched historical birth control, but now you've got me curious
Guess I know what I'm doing tonight

@TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy It would take quite an intervention for women to have no unfertilized eggs by the time they’re 35. Like, you’d have to induce menopause ten to twenty years early?? Kill the eggs in some targeted way???

Wikipedia credibly says some types of chemotherapy can do the former (or I assume both, and also obviously radiotherapy), as well as surgical removal of both ovaries. None of these violent things should be done unless really needed.

@TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy Whatever your intent, you’re mooting interesting ideas.

So, yeah, the biologist/policy wonk in me is responding seriously.

@ThatWouldBeTelling @Mommy I imagine with modern artificial selection it might be possible to if not rediscover the Roman's contraceptive plant, create a new one with the same effect
@ThatWouldBeTelling @Mommy If not now, we're gonna have to be forced to discover the tools needed to do it in 10-50 years anyway so might as well

@TURBORETARD9000 @Mommy You’re much better off with real pharmaceuticals, even if plant derived, because dosing is very iffy with the raw stuff.

@ThatWouldBeTelling @Mommy well I mean that's the idea lol
As much as it would be cool to cultivate it at home the synthesis would be beyond the home gardener
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