@Tfmonkey , well, just as I am an exception, I believe WN's should achieve their goals through TWRA, i'm trained in biology though. I see the dimorphic nature of our psyches and physiology, and I see this as the only thing compatible with human nature that will give them what they want. I don't think the WN's who came on your show are a representative sample whatsoever of WN's in general. And if it is just boomers complaining about SSD, well, all boomers do that, not really a WN thing.