@rohrkrepierer @philosophy
Lol. It makes me laugh when you materialist nihilists reach this point and call it "Jesus Fascism".
What happened, the Will to Power journey harder than you thought? Even Nietzsche had more respect for Christianity than that, and that's counting that he didn't really know about the Orthodox concept of theosis, or Orthodoxy in general.
Asceticism isn't exactly a family activity, & "freedom" is not only vague, but repulsive to the majority.
So Buddhism amirite?
@UncleIroh @rohrkrepierer I don't get why you're calling me a materialist nihilist. Can you explain what that means to you? I don't see myself as materialist or nihilist.
No, I was never on board with Nietzsche and Will to Power. My avatar is Schopenhauer ffs.
The answer IS asceticism...the self seeking its highest good through denial of itself in seeking for God. Doesn't matter if it's compatible with everyday "family" life (it is, just harder in that setting). It just is the answer.
@philosophy @rohrkrepierer
>Doesn't matter if it's compatible with everyday "family" life
Again, lol. Socially, it has to otherwise it's clearly not "the answer".
Reach the major milestones in life first - get married, start a family, develop a career, be known in your community - and then tallk to me about how compatible asceitism is with that, because if you can't then it's of no fucking use.
All the Orthodox Abrahamic religions have solved this by incorporating elements of asceticism.
@UncleIroh @rohrkrepierer There's no answer socially. People have to work this out for themselves. Your theosis is between you and God, and it's not a matter of a specific religion either...which is just an aesthetic for the process of unselfing.
Christianity is a fine path when it's understood properly. Paul didn't even understand it though. He thought it was about Jesus not having original sin because the belief of the day was that the soul was transmitted through the father's side. All wrong
@UncleIroh @rohrkrepierer Theosis IS the path, at least until unity. The next step is complete dropping of the self, not just the will. The character of Jesus was never the point...he's just the example of a fully human person who becomes non-person through thr hypostatic Oneness. And we all have the same destiny! That's the real bugger.
But this is theology way outside the Jesus Cult understanding of the process.
@philosophy @rohrkrepierer
The entire reason for Christianity's unparalleled global success has been that it is accessible, understandable and compatible with every level of cognition and all stations of life.
From the clinical idiot to the genius. Children, parents, ascetic monks, warriors.
Theosis is the answer and YOUR route is to monk it out. But the pro-social route in Orthodoxy is to onboard the concept from within families, learn through the Church and be supported in that journey.
@philosophy @rohrkrepierer
That is what is called a social solution. And although Theosis has private applicability, it is accessed through a public interface. Call it Sangha if you really want, it doesn't matter.
Your contempt for pro-social religion, specifically Christianity, comes across as reflexive.
@UncleIroh @rohrkrepierer It's not contempt of pro-socialness so much as recognition for the deep wrongness/paganism that religion inevitably degrades to when it becomes mass marketed. The contempt is for wrongness.
As soon as other people are involved, negotiations must occur and the will becomes involved. It's in silence that God is inevitably found.