Check kycnot.me - popular options include: localmonero; get coins you can get (e.g. bisq) and swap (e.g. trocador) - or you can do both on bisq too (Haveno is coming soon?)

Anything could be a scam and it’s important to always think critically, not blindly believing what others say; but Haveno is not yet publicly available so it couldn’t be a scam nor a non-scam — a non-existing service couldn’t steal your money.

Personally I do hope it’ll be great and convenient, if not perfect, like bisq — we’ll see.

Look at the CCS and the work that is being done…

IIRC they even fixed a serious bug in Bisq.

They took 100k, for a UI… You probably don’t realize how much money that is

I see your point. If they get a lot of donations and actually the said software will never be released or is poorly made, that can be said a development scam. On the other hand, if hypothetically UI is outsourced, a price tag like that may be rather usual.

If Haveno is released and actually works well, perhaps people will overlook questionable financial aspects related to development/management. Bisq too might have somewhat shady aspects if you ask how Bisq fees are used and distributed, although the project may not be sustainable if all the devs have to work without getting paid. Also one could question the nature of its native coin BSQ (which is basically just BTC dust, colored and sold high; conceptually it may be a good system, though if you use BSQ, the fact that you’re a Bisq user is trivially visible to everyone).

Ultimately there are two kinds of people in a community like this: philosopher-type idealists (who tend to be disillusioned eventually as reality is obviously not idealistic), and for-profit business-minded persons (who may be able to get rich quick if they make a “smart” move). While idealistic volunteers are respectable, business people are also realistically important as they may provide a lot of useful services. If they “overdo“, there will be of course ethical questions, though… You boldly pointed out something touchy but important; kudos.

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I cloned and built their latest repo recently but it only connects to Stagenet currently.

Some links in the settings aren't implemented and/or still show default Bisq specifics.

Wishing we had an actual live XMR DEX, but it feels like it's been years just to get a barely functional Bisq clone.

Yeah… When I write about Haveno here, I kind of always add “hopefully!“ or “is coming?” (a ?)… I don’t think it’s a scam but…

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