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TFW you finally realise that there were hundreds of Christinanities (plural) until the 4th century inaugurated the violent orthodox persecution of heretics under Saint Constantine (who murdered his own son and had his wife boiled alive in a bathtub). Also that there are roughly 5,700 different BuyBull manuscripts (~94% of medieval origin) which have vastly conflicting and demonstrably fraudulent contents fabricated for the sole purpose of supporting the "Catholic" theological orthodoxy of the era.
TFW you finally realise that there were hundreds of Christinanities (plural) until the 4th century inaugurated the violent orthodox persecution of heretics under Saint Constantine (who murdered his own son and had his wife boiled alive in a bathtub). Also that there are roughly 5,700 different BuyBull manuscripts (~94% of medieval origin) which have vastly conflicting and demonstrably fraudulent contents fabricated for the sole purpose of supporting the "Catholic" theological orthodoxy of the era.
@toiletpaper @vitalis do elaborate. is catholicism just saint constantine's version of orthodox Christianity?
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Until 1054 CE Eastern (aka: Orthodox) and Western (aka: Catholic) Christinanity were one and the same. Constantine was the first Roman Emperor to adopt Christinanity as his religion, and he convened the First Council of Nicaea in 325. Though according to the Babylonian Talmud Nero had previously converted to Judaism (and his 2nd wife Poppaea Sabina was adamantly pro-Jewish).
The rest is a bit of a tangent, but hopefully still of interest...
Some claim Constantine ended the persecution of Christians with the Edict of Milan in 313, but in fact Christians were never persecuted as such, but rather some Christians were legally punished for criminal behaviour such as terrorism and sedition/treason, including arson (eg. setting the Great Fire of Rome in 64 CE), spreading malicious propaganda against the state, the Emperor, and Roman religion, the refusal to participate in official Roman religious sacrifices (equivalent to refusing to take an oath of allegiance or sing the national anthem), refusal to pay taxes, spreading a "deadly superstition", etc. Insofar as sects like the Essenes, Zealots and Sicarii (eg. at the Mount of Olives) were involved in anti-Roman assassinations and warfare, it would be equivalent to today as if ISIS were fomenting terrorism and conducting recruiting activities domestically in North America. No responsible leader in their right mind would put up with that unless they were in on it.
Moreover the exact same laws were applied to all Romans, and not targeting Christians and Jews specifically. But being the narcissistic victim Olympics champions that Judeo-Christians are, they've still whined about it incessantly for approaching 2,000 years now. Meanwhile the second Christians gained sufficient political power themselves (via Emperor Theodosius I In 380 CE), here is a brief and incomplete overview of their much aggrandised religious tolerance and loving kindness in action.
https://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/christian-atrocities-three-centuries-of-pagan-persecution/
Pagans weren't the only targets of Christian persecution, as some early church fathers like John Chrysostom (mid-late 4th century) spent considerably effort demonising Jews also, which obviously lead to violent outcomes. Not to mention the persecution of other Christians who had differing opinions on any point of theological minutia contrary to the Nicean orthodoxy du jour.
Also bear in mind that the Nicean version of Christinanity was heavily influenced by Pauline theology (the anti-Christian Pharisee who never met Jesus in person, and was not one of the 12 apostles), whose teachings ran contrary the 12 actual apostles insofar as they regarded themselves as a Messianic sect by/for Jews exclusively (ie. no goyim/gentiles allowed).
Moreover due to most of the early Church fathers also being Platonists, the idea of the Trinity in Nicean doctrine is directly an adaptation from Platonic cosmology/theology concerning the relationship between God, the human soul and it's manifestation in the material world (Nous = Father, Physis = Son, Psyche = Holy Spirit) per works like Timaeus, Criteas and Phaedo. Similarly the gender of these was common convention throughout Indo-European, Indo-Iranian, and the broader Semitic mythologies, with masculine forms of deity being widely used as metaphors for the mind/intellect/reason and feminine for the emotional and material, just as were the metaphors of Heaven/Sky and Earth/Sea. Tip of the iceberg.
Until 1054 CE Eastern (aka: Orthodox) and Western (aka: Catholic) Christinanity were one and the same. Constantine was the first Roman Emperor to adopt Christinanity as his religion, and he convened the First Council of Nicaea in 325. Though according to the Babylonian Talmud Nero had previously converted to Judaism (and his 2nd wife Poppaea Sabina was adamantly pro-Jewish).
The rest is a bit of a tangent, but hopefully still of interest...
Some claim Constantine ended the persecution of Christians with the Edict of Milan in 313, but in fact Christians were never persecuted as such, but rather some Christians were legally punished for criminal behaviour such as terrorism and sedition/treason, including arson (eg. setting the Great Fire of Rome in 64 CE), spreading malicious propaganda against the state, the Emperor, and Roman religion, the refusal to participate in official Roman religious sacrifices (equivalent to refusing to take an oath of allegiance or sing the national anthem), refusal to pay taxes, spreading a "deadly superstition", etc. Insofar as sects like the Essenes, Zealots and Sicarii (eg. at the Mount of Olives) were involved in anti-Roman assassinations and warfare, it would be equivalent to today as if ISIS were fomenting terrorism and conducting recruiting activities domestically in North America. No responsible leader in their right mind would put up with that unless they were in on it.
Moreover the exact same laws were applied to all Romans, and not targeting Christians and Jews specifically. But being the narcissistic victim Olympics champions that Judeo-Christians are, they've still whined about it incessantly for approaching 2,000 years now. Meanwhile the second Christians gained sufficient political power themselves (via Emperor Theodosius I In 380 CE), here is a brief and incomplete overview of their much aggrandised religious tolerance and loving kindness in action.
https://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/christian-atrocities-three-centuries-of-pagan-persecution/
Pagans weren't the only targets of Christian persecution, as some early church fathers like John Chrysostom (mid-late 4th century) spent considerably effort demonising Jews also, which obviously lead to violent outcomes. Not to mention the persecution of other Christians who had differing opinions on any point of theological minutia contrary to the Nicean orthodoxy du jour.
Also bear in mind that the Nicean version of Christinanity was heavily influenced by Pauline theology (the anti-Christian Pharisee who never met Jesus in person, and was not one of the 12 apostles), whose teachings ran contrary the 12 actual apostles insofar as they regarded themselves as a Messianic sect by/for Jews exclusively (ie. no goyim/gentiles allowed).
Moreover due to most of the early Church fathers also being Platonists, the idea of the Trinity in Nicean doctrine is directly an adaptation from Platonic cosmology/theology concerning the relationship between God, the human soul and it's manifestation in the material world (Nous = Father, Physis = Son, Psyche = Holy Spirit) per works like Timaeus, Criteas and Phaedo. Similarly the gender of these was common convention throughout Indo-European, Indo-Iranian, and the broader Semitic mythologies, with masculine forms of deity being widely used as metaphors for the mind/intellect/reason and feminine for the emotional and material, just as were the metaphors of Heaven/Sky and Earth/Sea. Tip of the iceberg.
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Claiming the split between east and west occured first as late as 1054 and that it was one Church before that is extremely misleading
The Church split at least twice before 1054
Church of the East and Oriental Orthodox were created in two splits before the creation of Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox in 1054
But the Roman Catholics split again between Ultra Montane and Ultrajectine in Vatican 1
There were also other minor splits before 1054 not listed here
