How many countries don't have a rothchild banking system installed?
@GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Probably most of the communist ones have state banking instead of private banking. Are there others?
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Twin Oaks is the closest thing to real communism that really works in real life that I know of
They sell goods to outsiders then distribute to community members in a for needs basis in a communist manner
The trick to real communism working without creating poverty is being allowed to reject people from the community
Communism with open membership and open borders always leads to mass starvation
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Communism only works without creating mass starvation as a private members club
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol Was your father a open borders type of communist? Stalin wasn't.
@shortstories @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @GoonPatrol Real nations should operate as private members club anyways. Only leftcomm would say otherwise. They are depending on a global revolution to erase all borders and nations, which is not something most nationalist type communists are really into.
for a lot of niggers, paradise to them looks like hell to us
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker What about Liberation Theology though?
There's a reason it only (kinda) worked on brown mutts in the new world but nowhere else.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker Judeochristianity worry is probably why some of these movements went the secular route (even if later reversing some of those policies) IMO.
@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Yeah, especially ML types. However it is important to also get to the essence of some of these things. Religion has often been used by the powers that be to enforce the status quo. I don't know if people really would argue that this is always false. However Marx wasn't really obsessed with "proving god doesn't exist" as you'd expect a Atheist to:
Some scholars classify Marx not as a typical "atheist" who is obsessed with proving God doesn't exist, but as a "post-theist" who viewed god-worship as an obsolete stage of history.
@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Well I "get it" in the sense that you don't really "need" religion to operate a economic and political system. However, I think some of the historical arguments on atheism are a bit dated.
Historical materialism likes to basically think of itself as a science. However, science is neither atheist nor theist in nature. To claim god exists or doesn't exist is a immaterial question. You would first have to define god (something that is probably impossible in a diverse society) and find ways of measuring if god exists or not. These are not scientific questions so therefore it would be a mistake for a modern Marxist to claim to be either atheist or a theist if they are trying to be true to their principles. I think part of this is that atheism meant something a little different before than it does today. More on this here:
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker Maybe not everyone is well versed as they should be in Plato-Aristotelian thought?
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker I just like to frame these discussions in the times that they happened. Some of these things are sometimes talked about in very anachronistic ways that really ignore the contexts of the times where they took place. I can understand how a modern person hearing about the "atheist" communists might sound like a certain thing but sometimes it is taken in a direction that isn't always merited. If viewed through the lens of materially understanding the world and power relations, it can make sense. Although I'm also a person who does not disregard religion and culture. A lot of Marxists talk about humans like interchangeable cogs. I fully disagree with this but I understand why some might think this if they don't have ample information on social sciences and anthropology lol.
tl;dr: tabula rasa is dumb and fake.
Not only that but it is literally retarded to believe it is 'Not dumb and NOT fake'.
I don’t see how “atheism” is “lack of belief“ - as the word clearly means “not-God-ism”.
Honestly, I don't see how one could accept the claim in any other state other than prolonged psychological abuse. It's poorly constructed and self-contradictory.
I can agree that it implies a lack of belief in a God claim; but not a lack of any and all belief in general. Atheists almost certainly hold a range of beliefs in other domains
Atheists just want to goon into the void until they gracelessly expire
While I’m no Protestant, the general “tone and timbre” of American Christianity, while starkly divided, was actually doing pretty darn bangin at ordering societies up until the 20th Century
But they wanted more people to do so in order to take advantage of scientific progress.
And the mixed messages, and 50,000 denominations goes against the rational mind.
Well the image in my mind of the pre-Automotive landscape of the vast Westward expanse of the American landmass - that of thousands of villages built around the town church - holds considerable appeal; mixed messages and thousands of denominations didn’t really matter that much, in that sort of setting. Obviously, in retrospect, it probably couldn’t keep Industry out in the long-haul, it’s also equally obvious they understood the very great worth of Innocence, whilst also valuing skilled craftsmen and brilliant individuals so long as they had Virtue to match.
The fact that Christianity is divided into so many thousands of competing factions and denominations - far more than any other religion - sounds like the work of a supernatural enemy bent on diluting the impact of the truth to as close to the vanishing point as possible. I'd do it if I were Satan.
Or, humans have a tendency to divide themselves in to groups based off race and geographical location. Paganism was not united either and had tons of different sects.
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Who were the
Dulles brothers
and what did they do? And were they Ashkenazi and or Sephardic Jews
Even when explaining the Jews - the Jews WROTE THE OLD TESTAMENT.
Do you not think it's reasonable to ask where they got this information and how they decided upon it?
But they never look into how the Jews do things. And consider it all "divine" when it's not. It was a bunch of Jews sitting around arguing until they all decided someone had won the argument. The entire jewish religion starts out with Abraham arguing with god and "winning the argument".
This is the basis for their whole religion - this is your old testament. It has nothing to do with divine beings from the sky.
Even if it were true that the OT were ahistorical (a claim I highly doubt), it misses the point entirely.
The OT was written centuries before the Incarnation of Christ, and was positively stuffed with Messianic Prophecy that wasn’t fulfilled until hundreds of years after all the authors had died. No merely-human agency at any level could possibly pull that off. That’s its actual significance
A group of people wrote the Torah, and they were of the tribes of Israel, and they settled in the middle east and wrote a language called Hebrew and so these people could be called Hebrews or Israelites or Judeans
the people who attacked the Romans and were sent to exile were a portion of these people, who intermarried with the Babylonians and wrote a book called the Talmud and made an entirely new religion
and some of these people today exist as a group called the Jew - and are not even genetically related to the people who wrote the Torah and do not follow the Torah and have completely different customs and culture from the people who followed the Torah
please do not claim the Jews - a vile and modern race - were the people of the Torah as it is simply untrue
Oh no doubt, by this point ? Same as with anyone still pushing the Scofield
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Normally I do not use the term race traitor because I do not view race mixing or helping people of other races as always wrong
But I believe Benny Hinn is a race traitor
I think he said he came from Iran once and if he is not opposing the attempted genocide of Iran by Israel then I do not see how that can not be a race traitor
And their fascination with their literal cuck of a shah, is another enigma as well.
