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Twin Oaks is the closest thing to real communism that really works in real life that I know of
They sell goods to outsiders then distribute to community members in a for needs basis in a communist manner
The trick to real communism working without creating poverty is being allowed to reject people from the community
Communism with open membership and open borders always leads to mass starvation
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker What about Liberation Theology though?
There's a reason it only (kinda) worked on brown mutts in the new world but nowhere else.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker Judeochristianity worry is probably why some of these movements went the secular route (even if later reversing some of those policies) IMO.
@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Yeah, especially ML types. However it is important to also get to the essence of some of these things. Religion has often been used by the powers that be to enforce the status quo. I don't know if people really would argue that this is always false. However Marx wasn't really obsessed with "proving god doesn't exist" as you'd expect a Atheist to:
Some scholars classify Marx not as a typical "atheist" who is obsessed with proving God doesn't exist, but as a "post-theist" who viewed god-worship as an obsolete stage of history.
@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Well I "get it" in the sense that you don't really "need" religion to operate a economic and political system. However, I think some of the historical arguments on atheism are a bit dated.
Historical materialism likes to basically think of itself as a science. However, science is neither atheist nor theist in nature. To claim god exists or doesn't exist is a immaterial question. You would first have to define god (something that is probably impossible in a diverse society) and find ways of measuring if god exists or not. These are not scientific questions so therefore it would be a mistake for a modern Marxist to claim to be either atheist or a theist if they are trying to be true to their principles. I think part of this is that atheism meant something a little different before than it does today. More on this here:
I don’t see how “atheism” is “lack of belief“ - as the word clearly means “not-God-ism”.
While I’m no Protestant, the general “tone and timbre” of American Christianity, while starkly divided, was actually doing pretty darn bangin at ordering societies up until the 20th Century
Even when explaining the Jews - the Jews WROTE THE OLD TESTAMENT.
Do you not think it's reasonable to ask where they got this information and how they decided upon it?
But they never look into how the Jews do things. And consider it all "divine" when it's not. It was a bunch of Jews sitting around arguing until they all decided someone had won the argument. The entire jewish religion starts out with Abraham arguing with god and "winning the argument".
This is the basis for their whole religion - this is your old testament. It has nothing to do with divine beings from the sky.
Even if it were true that the OT were ahistorical (a claim I highly doubt), it misses the point entirely.
The OT was written centuries before the Incarnation of Christ, and was positively stuffed with Messianic Prophecy that wasn’t fulfilled until hundreds of years after all the authors had died. No merely-human agency at any level could possibly pull that off. That’s its actual significance
That's like saying "That last domino can't possible fall just because someone pushes over the first domino."
That’s not at all what it’s like; nobody human could possibly have steered events like the God-Man being born in a specific town, to a specific virgin. One doesn’t get to decide things like that about their own birth.
Yeah I don’t know what to tell you. Shepherds and peasants and fishermen don’t really have a lot of ability to steer the sorts of narratives that rulers pay to have written down
Pretty sure we’re talking past each other; I’m referring to OT Messianic Prophecy
So you might want to get interested in how they decided what was in the Torah, and what they mean by "God"
It got moved across most of asia for thousands of years.
That anthropologist guy was constantly going on about it appearing in pre-history.
The Hindu religion alone is 5000 years old dude. They simply have different names for the same thing.
This system along with the symbols and chakras and sex magic, are all contained in religions from 5000 years onwards.
"It's no use men; it's ALL and always you're fault!"
~Women The World Over
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The tree provided knowledge of good and evil because eating the tree was defined as evil according to a old commentary I looked up in a library because I was going to talk to Mormons later that day
I can not prove the commentary was from before the nineternth ammendment or even existed but I believe it was
She was probably a coal burner.
jews do not believe in an enemy of God. Shaitan, or Satan, is a trickster, a tempter, trying to lead you astray from the law. Now, God putting that Tree in the Garden, when he could have put it away from those two so they couldn't touch it, was him trying to see if they'd break his law. The Serpent is Shaitan, temptation, trying to get them to do the naughty. But it's also God, who in fact plays both sides.
There's arguments over this.
"Shem" is the devil (The snake), and constantly comes up in their literature.
Things that are "illogical" or will destroy you are considered "evil" by Jews. I have to give it to them on that one count, they kind of "want" to do the right thing in some instances, but can't while they live among us and we're doing the right thing. Because they simply HAVE TO go against us.
I think the Serpent was a possessed dragon;
That dragons are dinosaurs;
That God’s curse is important to understanding what happened to the dinosaurs / dragons
Milton hasn’t entered the chat, as far as I’m concerned 😆
Well, whether or not I am is immaterial. I remain convinced the Serpent in the Garden would be recognized as a dragon
"[so and so] was smoking crack" is now a timeless figurative expression that can be used anachronistically. How did Yahu become the Most High among the elohim, the Head of Days, and the Godhead off burned offering smoke anyway? With omniscient Creation plans getting foiled by a talking Snake while he wasn't even watching or paying attention. What he was he doing instead? I'll tell you what he was doing. That nigga was smoking Godcrack.
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They did not learn the difference between good and evil by eating from the tree
Being told not to eat from the tree gave them knowledge of what was good and evil
That was my memory of my understanding of the commentary which contradicted the mormon teaching that eating from the tree was good because it provided knowledge
