@GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Probably most of the communist ones have state banking instead of private banking. Are there others?

@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @Sovereign @GoonPatrol

Twin Oaks is the closest thing to real communism that really works in real life that I know of

They sell goods to outsiders then distribute to community members in a for needs basis in a communist manner

The trick to real communism working without creating poverty is being allowed to reject people from the community

Communism with open membership and open borders always leads to mass starvation

@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker What about Liberation Theology though?

@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker Judeochristianity worry is probably why some of these movements went the secular route (even if later reversing some of those policies) IMO.

@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Yeah, especially ML types. However it is important to also get to the essence of some of these things. Religion has often been used by the powers that be to enforce the status quo. I don't know if people really would argue that this is always false. However Marx wasn't really obsessed with "proving god doesn't exist" as you'd expect a Atheist to:

Some scholars classify Marx not as a typical "atheist" who is obsessed with proving God doesn't exist, but as a "post-theist" who viewed god-worship as an obsolete stage of history.

@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Well I "get it" in the sense that you don't really "need" religion to operate a economic and political system. However, I think some of the historical arguments on atheism are a bit dated.

Historical materialism likes to basically think of itself as a science. However, science is neither atheist nor theist in nature. To claim god exists or doesn't exist is a immaterial question. You would first have to define god (something that is probably impossible in a diverse society) and find ways of measuring if god exists or not. These are not scientific questions so therefore it would be a mistake for a modern Marxist to claim to be either atheist or a theist if they are trying to be true to their principles. I think part of this is that atheism meant something a little different before than it does today. More on this here:

@multiversal_gangstalker @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories

I don’t see how “atheism” is “lack of belief“ - as the word clearly means “not-God-ism”.

That’s been my experience, as well. I’ve acquired the general impression that “atheist” and “antiChristian” are more-or-less practically synonymous