@dave why does everyone of these terf sound unhinged? whats their priority, their abortion rights that are going up in the air, or someone who takes harmones to be as close to their side of gender as possible?
@dave feminism as an isolated philosophy doesnt work, either you believe men = women or you dont. trans folks lie exactly at that "=" sign. demonising trans folks because you got no other place to vent your frustration for meaningless existence as a result of your isolationist feminism is juvenile.
Isolationist feminism has fuelled (not necessarily provoked) inceldom.
This one is true. Feminists managed to undermine and colonize manhood, and now we're afraid to be men anymore.
I mean, it’s a ridiculous premise anyways. You’re basically talking about making 100% of the male population castrato. It’s the kind of idea that will never leave the annals of feminist thought.
@dave @sam @NEETzsche @polarisera The problem with Feminism is that it already rejects reality. It believes that men and women are equal, and used that fantasy to gain privileges for 100 years. Now it suddenly want to assert reality and tell trannies they aren't "real" women.
I'm sorry, but we as a society have to choose whether to live in reality or indulge in feelings and fantasies. If we choose reality, then Feminism is a lie. If we choose feelings and fantasy, then TERFs are bigots.
Choose
@dave @sam @NEETzsche @Tfmonkey @polarisera The problem with statements like these is how people conflate what “human rights and dignity” are. It’s such a womanly-worded axiom what can be conflated to anything, case in point…
“It’s my HUMAN RIGHT to kill my children, to say otherwise to is to remove my DIGNITY”
“It’s my HUMAN RIGHT to go to work and neglect my children and household, to say otherwise is to remove my DIGNITY”
“It’s my HUMAN RIGHT to take half or more of the income, the house, and the children despite the fact that I (on average) earn more per hour; I just work less. To say otherwise is to remove my DIGNITY”
“It’s my HUMAN RIGHT to fuck whomever and however many cocks I want and fuck up the responsibility of raising a family and stable household, to say otherwise is to remove my DIGNITY”
“It’s my HUMAN RIGHT to not live up to social decency and decorum as to how I should dress in a certain settings, to say otherwise is to remove my DIGNITY”
@dave @sam @NEETzsche @Tfmonkey @polarisera The easy solution is to and answer to what I responded with is to question why people by default are entitled to “human rights” and “dignity”. Most of the time discussion surrounding these two things involve giving people something that they did not earn.
For example, to have rights functionally by an enforcement body, when it comes down to it, involves a tribute of material goods to that enforcement body (taxation). Being a citizen involves actually doing things in civic service to some degree and capacity. In this case, no matter what theoretical feel-good axiom that’s presented about how we simply are just “given” these rights is hooey. Same can go for “dignity”.
These things (“human rights”, “dignity”) are really earned, are a privilege you enjoy and can be taken away. What I am saying, and what be extension the person you originally responded to would agree with (a big stretch, I know) is that feminism and other true liberal movements reject reality and the consequences of this are quite obvious as these ideas are tested against it. To continue drinking the cool-aide about talking points regarding liberalism, using the frame of liberalism to discuss socio-economic issues, will continue to be a disservice to debate and all things “systematic”, or to “society”.
@Nocturn_Adrift @sam @dave @NEETzsche @polarisera You are correct. We are arguing over an abstraction. My point here was merely to cut through the nonsense and reveal the ultimate choice.
We can choose to live in a society based on reality, or we can choose to live in a society based on feelings and fantasies.
If we choose reality, then Feminism loses, because it is based entirely on feelings and fantasy.
If we choose feelings and fantasy, feminism loses, because trannies are "real women" too
