number 2 re-read my comment and answer the question HOW IS THIS DEFENDING FEMINISM. If you can do that I'll hold my hands up and admit I'm wrong, if you can't you need to eat a bag of dicks on screen.
Number 3 if you could do anything other than speechify to others and actually pose anything in the way of questions/answers/issues/etc then you'll be something more than a bag of hot air getting upset at someone.
I get it, I really do get it, you are angry at women who have crept in, used the literal part of Human Evolution that involves them by 52% of the population and the 200k year gynocentrism we've all lived with all our lives.
But sitting there screaming like a retarded faggot "ITS THE WOMEN THATS THE PROBLEM!" doesn't solve anything, no shit they're the problem did you see where I said they need to be forced into subservience again? Because if you did, you'd see that I'm agreeing with that argument.
I'm just saying that MGTOW isn't what the proponants of it claim it is, it's not an argument for mens freedom from oppression, its you wanting your own way like children.
Now watch, he'll either scream obscenities at me, focus on the last part or completely ignore me instead of admitting he's wrong and shutting the fuck up.
@HardLight @MelGibsonafter4Beers The meme that started this conversation labels MGTOW as a Jewish scheme to further white genocide.
My retort was that the problem is women's rights alone, and that blaming men for the white demographic problem is defending Feminism by telling men they have to accept Feminism in the name of making white babies out of "duty" to the white race.
I was responding to the meme directly, and answering your question, not accusing you personally of defending Feminism.
@HardLight @MelGibsonafter4Beers you clearly didn't read the response from 10 minutes ago because I answered this already. I'll include it as an image just in case. Anyway, I'm not insulting you and calling you a nigger because I am not here to pick a fight. What would insulting you accomplish?
Anyway, I have nothing more to say or add. I hope you have a nice rest of your day.
but that's not an answer to how MGTOW being a Jewish Conspiracy either is a Promotion of Feminism or an attack on men going their own way.
Unless you're the type of fucking idiot who is going to go ahead and say "the only correct way to ever do anything is the way I think feel act and follow"
because if you're going to say that, I'm going to have to point you in the direction of this little article.
Congratulations dipshit, you just proved that MGTOW is the very same things as Feminism. "It's MY WAY or EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG/BAD/EVIL/STUPID/SEXIST/BIGOTED"
esquire.com/lifestyle/news/a57173/gal-gadot-feminism/
@HardLight @MelGibsonafter4Beers Patriarchy isn't oppression, it's balance. Men must have authority because they have responsibility.
Equality is bullshit, and you are actually tacitly agreeing with Feminism's foundational precept, which is that men and women are equal, which is clearly not true.
At least now I see where the miscommunication lies. You probably think only modern "radical" Feminism is bad because it promotes "female supremacy" right?
MGTOW is saying "I want to do this, fuck you guys."
and again, perfectly okay with it if you want to do that, do it.
but don't argue it's something it's not, MGTOW doesn't parrot out "you need to get 2.5 kids, be the only bread winner, have the mother raise the kids at home and to have dinner on the table when you're there."
it never has and never will as the idea of GOING YOUR OWN WAY means to go away from being responsible for anyone other than you yourself.
No, I don't think Feminism is bad because "female supremacy" I think feminism is bad because women are fundamentally irrational beings that cannot ever act in the good of anyone but themselves and need to be kept in line, told what to do and how to do it, to have them be functioning members of society.
Easily provable as well
"Have you ever had an argument with a woman where she started it, was the fault of it, took the responsibility of that on, apologised and then lived with that, or has it always been your fault for some other reason?"
I've got a tenner that says the first is correct.
@HardLight @MelGibsonafter4Beers MGTOW is a temporary tactic to survive in the feminist hellscape that western civilization has become.
Get rid of Feminism, and restore patriarchy, and MGTOW goes away.
What's your plan? You called Patriarchy oppression a post ago and then admit that women need to be kept in line, so which is it?
If patriarchy is oppression, then you're a Feminist.
If patriarchy is balance because women need to be kept in line, then how do you accomplish that practically?
See a woman struggle at work, walk by.
See a woman unwilling to move when you're walking, shoulder check her.
Have a woman hit you, return the favour.
Women are very hypergamous creatures, they will not like it when they have to struggle alongside men completely, they will seek out a better solution than that.
It's why I still argue it's wrong to fight the Troon invasion of female sports, let them struggle until they are stuck and then say to them.
"We can solve this, but you have to give up your right to self-determination" and then wait for them to crack under that.
MGTOW is just Feminism for Men, it's selfish, it's spoiled, it's ignorant and it helps perpetuate the idea that men can live without women in their lives, they can't, we're built in our brains to please women.
What I said isn't oppression, what I said was factual.
When a group of humans can say this and not think they're monsters inside, they are not capable of thinking of anyone but themselves
"I want to have this abortion because I deserve the freedom to choose what I do with my body"
it's not a right to choose what they do with their bodies, they had that choice when they spread their legs for a guy. They then had the RESPONSIBILITY of those choices and said they didn't like that.
When a person or group does not think of anyone other than the self when talking about something, they are not capable of thinking of others and therefore do not deserve the rights they cling to.
@HardLight @MelGibsonafter4Beers Maybe you think women will crack and voluntarily give up their rights, in which case your plan is just my plan, except much longer with a lot of unnecessary suffering.
Or perhaps you think that we can force women to "evolve" and actually be equal and responsible for themselves, but that is biologically impossible. Nearly all women would simply die, and the men will murder eachother for the remaining tomboys.
Human extinction is not a viable alternative.
when everything is dominated by men in dresses who say they're women to get ahead because they're losers and no one is defending them
then you come along and say "I'll defend you, but you've got to give up your freedom to do it"
then they'll break, they can play their little gay sports, but they have no rights, it'd be like a knitting circle, useless.
Mostly because the argument "stay away from women to win" isn't what Jews do.
They literally enforce roles for women, and their primary role is home maker Mother and Housewife. Anything else they do is a BIG secondary choice to what their devil tells them they need to do.
Do you want me to point out how the Jews have money pots in their own communities that they each put into so they can help each other out next? Because that's a thing they also do...
MGTOW angry guy upset over his ideology being a Jewish trap.
second off, it is. the follower of MGTOW proved it by arguing in the exact way a feminist does but from his viewpoint.
WHILE CALLING ME AUTHORITARIAN.
I mean if I were an asshole I'd go and find the part where he calls me names and change it to be Feminism instead of Patriarchy.
But I won't, because that's beneath me.
Now to address the absolute ASS-pergery of your rambling incoherent and screaming rant at how MGTOW is good and how everything else is evil. I'll just say
1. I've said women shouldn't have rights because they're irrational
2. I've provided 2 instances of general reasons why
3. You freak out like all loser MGTOW crying fatasses who don't like being told you're doing this for you and no one else
4. I even said that doing it for you is fine, just don't BS people about it.
Now, when you scream incoherently at me again, PLEASE, don't censor yourself faggot, just be upfront about your incoherence.
@Innawoods @HardLight @MelGibsonafter4Beers I agree with the part that men have to be responsible for society or it collapses. However, men MUST have authority over that which they are responsible. Thus, society REQUIRES patriarchy.
I'm ready to restore patriarchy whenever you guys are, but you would rather talk about jews I guess.
So I'm doing my own thing until you've felt enough pain and are ready to do what must be done.
just to say "well under MY oppression, it's different."
again it's not feminism and mgtow, there's literally a million other ideas out there that can encompass everything in the world.
2. I asked you to both show me blaming men for walking away and how the post defends feminism, seeing as you have neither proved that or linked to that. Come on, eat those dicks for everyone.
3. Saying "MGTOW is a Jewish Conspiracy" isn't "Blaming men" it's saying "men are - again - being fooled by a Jewish plot to undermine them" and if you look at it logically, it does make sense "white men>MGTOW>decline birth rates>Jews in power"
Nothing in any of what you've responded to has been a defense of feminism or blaming men for walking away, you leaped on that because you have that response constantly, and its bullshit.
If you want to be selfish, just say "fuck it, I don't care" to those responses and yeah you'll get shit on for it but as you don't care it won't matter right?
Ultimately we both know you're upset at an ideology you hold strong to being called something you hate, but the scary part of this for you is whats coming next.
If it were 100% total and complete bullshit, you'd be able to laugh it off, call him a nigger for saying it and leave it at that.
Getting upset means you're not 100% convinced that he's wrong and are acting in a reactionary manner to assure yourself you're not yourself in the wrong.
that should be clue as to where your view should stand btw.