Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like nobody ever really does anything anymore? It's kind of hard to explain the feeling, but it feels like there's never anything made or shared just for the sake of it anymore, everybody is constantly looking to get something out of it, usually for as little effort as possible. Money usually, but you also see instances where free projects get shuttered cause the owners weren't getting enough clout or whatever they were looking for. :awoo_think:
Not even sure it's necessarily a bad thing, it just seems like you can't find anything that isn't slathered with e-begging or paywalls of some kind anymore, and it feels odd given that AFAIK most of the costs of hosting online things in general have gone down over the years.
Not even sure it's necessarily a bad thing, it just seems like you can't find anything that isn't slathered with e-begging or paywalls of some kind anymore, and it feels odd given that AFAIK most of the costs of hosting online things in general have gone down over the years.
@Giganova8 There are lots of factors, but a big one is the rise and normalization of tipping services like Ko-fi and "creator" subscription services like Patreon/SubscribeStar. With these making it possible to start the e-begging from very small scales (which stop seeming so small once you start to account for exchange rates, see any modern scanlation credits page produced by overconfident ESLs) with little downside, everyone sees others doing it and feels like a sucker if they're the only ones not.
That plus decline of material circumstances, generational exposure to muh hustle culture (which insists that any activity that isn't performatively monetizable is to be purged from one's life), breakdown of the longer/slower/more "intimate" forms of Internet interaction which would provide the feedback and nonmaterial rewards that grows a scene, the list goes on...
That plus decline of material circumstances, generational exposure to muh hustle culture (which insists that any activity that isn't performatively monetizable is to be purged from one's life), breakdown of the longer/slower/more "intimate" forms of Internet interaction which would provide the feedback and nonmaterial rewards that grows a scene, the list goes on...
@wan @Giganova8 Hustle culture is a big one with the younger generations. Quite a few creative people that would otherwise be fostering hobbies and such are tapping into gig economy "side hustles" in order to get by in life.
@DemonSixOne @wan @Giganova8 Not just the younger generation, but third worlders too.
Third worlders especially love this hustle culture. That's exactly who I saw getting in on Crypto right after every other wagie realized it's a dead end. I saw my minority boss browsing crypto sites during work and joining Discords for it.
Third worlders especially love this hustle culture. That's exactly who I saw getting in on Crypto right after every other wagie realized it's a dead end. I saw my minority boss browsing crypto sites during work and joining Discords for it.
@DemonSixOne @Giganova8 @wan To add onto this, I should talk about what my last job was like.
So for context, it was a group of like 6-10 on each shift. I was on one shift and moved to another after disputes with a coworker accusing me of stuff.
What I saw on both shifts was this: the job had mentally worn them out. There was a dreadful feeling, from both the boss from hell to the lack of documentation at work (we were debugging failed servers with no documentation, just notes each coworker had in Office 365), and more people seemed interested in doing one of two things.
Either work time was used to consoom media or to study certs/apply for colleges/uni (if the wagie boss didn't set up the web filter properly, I was unfortunately having a working web filter but coworkers didn't) . No joke. The whole feeling of this job was that it was so bad you couldn't even distract yourself from it, you wanted out of it as fast as possible. It was common to use Microsoft Teams as coworker Discord.
Other coworkers were taking BANTS to the extreme, and some nonwhite coworkers were using work time to browse shitcoin prices seeing if they could totally get rich investing on some shitcoin nobody has heard of, playing the markets like a problem gambler would scratch offs back in the day or "DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE MEGA MILLIONS".
One thing I noticed is that coworkers had no passion projects or severe apathy for it. Those are for kids in their mindset even if they didn't say it because it's clear they were burnt out and blackpilled, or simply didn't give a shit.
And then I quit my job after having no home life and I realized too the other reason nobody has any, when you grow up with aggressive authoritarian parents who do a good job at snuffing out any passion with berating or medication, it's easy to fall into that trap. So many people I meet online seem to bounce between college that the parents won't shut up about (which they have no interest in), and wagecages to survive and dealing with berating from parents in between.
There's an entire lost generation and hustle culture seems enticing to someone who has never had passion.
So for context, it was a group of like 6-10 on each shift. I was on one shift and moved to another after disputes with a coworker accusing me of stuff.
What I saw on both shifts was this: the job had mentally worn them out. There was a dreadful feeling, from both the boss from hell to the lack of documentation at work (we were debugging failed servers with no documentation, just notes each coworker had in Office 365), and more people seemed interested in doing one of two things.
Either work time was used to consoom media or to study certs/apply for colleges/uni (if the wagie boss didn't set up the web filter properly, I was unfortunately having a working web filter but coworkers didn't) . No joke. The whole feeling of this job was that it was so bad you couldn't even distract yourself from it, you wanted out of it as fast as possible. It was common to use Microsoft Teams as coworker Discord.
Other coworkers were taking BANTS to the extreme, and some nonwhite coworkers were using work time to browse shitcoin prices seeing if they could totally get rich investing on some shitcoin nobody has heard of, playing the markets like a problem gambler would scratch offs back in the day or "DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE MEGA MILLIONS".
One thing I noticed is that coworkers had no passion projects or severe apathy for it. Those are for kids in their mindset even if they didn't say it because it's clear they were burnt out and blackpilled, or simply didn't give a shit.
And then I quit my job after having no home life and I realized too the other reason nobody has any, when you grow up with aggressive authoritarian parents who do a good job at snuffing out any passion with berating or medication, it's easy to fall into that trap. So many people I meet online seem to bounce between college that the parents won't shut up about (which they have no interest in), and wagecages to survive and dealing with berating from parents in between.
There's an entire lost generation and hustle culture seems enticing to someone who has never had passion.
@PurpCat @DemonSixOne @wan @Giganova8 honestly this
The boomers have fucked us all by not investing in their young like their predecessors did and instead hiring foreigners for cheaper wages and doing everything they can to secure their pensions which only benefits them.
There's an infinite amount of stories about parents berating and kicking out their kids for daring to chase their dreams.
You're actively shamed and punished for doing anything that isn't going to college or working on mundane office jobs.
Just think of how many kids decide to live out on their own because they can't stand being with their parents.
The problems in the current society are deeply rooted in how the previous generation has raised us.
The boomers have fucked us all by not investing in their young like their predecessors did and instead hiring foreigners for cheaper wages and doing everything they can to secure their pensions which only benefits them.
There's an infinite amount of stories about parents berating and kicking out their kids for daring to chase their dreams.
You're actively shamed and punished for doing anything that isn't going to college or working on mundane office jobs.
Just think of how many kids decide to live out on their own because they can't stand being with their parents.
The problems in the current society are deeply rooted in how the previous generation has raised us.
@Meemoo @PurpCat @DemonSixOne @Giganova8 @wan "I have a hobby.
Can you give me money for it?
Because I love money.
Money? I'll take it
Pregnancy? Can we monetize it for money?
That doesn't look like money, I don't want that.
But if you have money I'll take it....
"
Can you give me money for it?
Because I love money.
Money? I'll take it
Pregnancy? Can we monetize it for money?
That doesn't look like money, I don't want that.
But if you have money I'll take it....
"
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trust me, this is relevant Mofunova8
every boy growing up has to contend with violence & war. his attitude to violence, capacity for it, inclination for it, skill level, under what conditions to use it, against whom, how far to go.
this includes hunting, revenge, retaliation, defense & offense. and for those of us that believe in a moral universe, good and evil.
under your ethical framework, how do you contend with this?
