@amerika @freepatriot what's the difference?
@amerika @freepatriot yeah, democracy is the illusion that you aren't in a monarchy
@amerika @freepatriot in the long run, six of one, half dozen of the other.
if you were a lesser aristocrat knowing you could never be king, how would you vie to establish your position of power?
Lesser aristocrats have titles to land and rule local areas, so they have status just not Big Dog status.
@amerika @freepatriot and historically they were always happy in their little place and never vied to obtain more power.
i'm not against the monarchist system, but i'm also not all in for it. if it was perfect, no one would want to rebel against it
There is no perfect system. There is no perfection. Only turning up the volume on what is good and decreasing the volume on what is bad.
#monarchism limits the power and influence of retards (aka leftism) and markets, also keeps the foreign out
@amerika @freepatriot i'll agree with you under one condition, this benevolent ruler is immortal
the ruler is self-interested, but his self-interest coincides with that of the nation
you have lesser aristocrats to ensure succession
@amerika @freepatriot i agree with the first, but can't with the second. a true benevolent king would have endured a terrible turmoil that he'd never wish to see again. this self interest coincides with the nation's. the lesser aristocrats haven't endured this and don't understand. they become disconnected to this alignment
It's an interesting point. The kings chose to step aside instead of producing mass bloodshed.
@amerika @freepatriot tis a benevolent king however won't prevent the mass bloodshed as his replacement doesn't possess that alignment.
goal congruency is the issue. that massive turmoil connects king and subject, brings them to the same level. his successor, and lesser aristocrats' successors, dont' understand this level. that turmoil connection doesn't exist. maybe that's the food the parasites need to manifest and then start hunting for the big pie, the larger power source.
When self-interest coincides with the success of the nation, it is benevolent in aims even if not always in methods.
However, "we had to destroy the village to save it" did not sell well with the aristocrats.
They just kept on doing good things, and their descendants do them today.
@amerika @freepatriot the self interest must be something that puts ALL on the same level.
for example, imagine if some bug aliens like from starship troopers started invading Earth. there would be little to zero corruption. survival of the race and of oneself is paramount. this means uniting and fighting for eternity to survive against the perpetual onslaught. goal congruency. comfort and complacency breeds the incompetent and makes the corruption more possible
"the self interest must be something that puts ALL on the same level."
Why?
"goal congruency."
The nation + excellence. It is all we need.
"comfort and complacency breeds the incompetent and makes the corruption more possible"
This is why you sequester wealth.
@amerika @freepatriot actually, all of your points/questions are contained in the purpose of goal congruency. simple analogy, if you are rowing the ship in the direction of the bow and i the stern, that ship is going no where.
i wish everyone thought "nation + excellence" but this is not the case. lots of parasites that give zero shit about nation or excellence. this requires actively hunting them and trust me, they will find subversive measures to overcome the hunt
'i wish everyone thought "nation + excellence" but this is not the case.'
So you know what I'm going to say here...
IT'S A BELL CURVE!
The right side gets this, at least the fringe.
Everyone else is muddling through and needs that right fringe to take care of them.
@amerika @freepatriot yes sir it is! and hence why the idea of having those on the left side of the bell curve choosing the direction of a nation proves where society as a whole is on the bell curve lol.
well, i guess once we get skynet fully up and running and robots doing all the current slave work, we may actually shift to a world where the left side of the bell curve is completely unable to cast a vote ;)
Probably. The realist question is always "what are the consequences in reality?" (versus human judgments, feelings, emotions, and other transient stuff)
In my analysis my way benefits the proles as well as the kings, so I consider it important.
In the long run, societies that want to rise need to shed those left fringe people, and traditionally we shat them out into the third world places like Russia, southern Europe, Africa, Mexico, and California.
@amerika @freepatriot yes sir, but still need those dummies as slaves to produce the goods. its a funny relationship but required. once robotics and automation gets stronger, we could see a reduction in the need for slaves and maybe that trimming of the left side will commence... unless it already has.
yup, and especailly the last in that list LOL
"yes sir, but still need those dummies as slaves to produce the goods."
We need some, but how many? And work expands to fill available resources, so having too many means we get make-work McJobs like we have now.
@amerika @freepatriot yes sir, and funded with your tax dollars. give it time and it'll be an interesting transition. probably beyond our lifetimes so we just get to watch the shit decline lol
Also I think you will find that most lesser aristocrats are very happy not being king.
Heavy is the crown... fuck I wouldn't take the job for anything.
@amerika @freepatriot you and i see the world much differently than the tunnel vision parasites. you are not wrong but also not 100% correct. there are parasites out there. those are the creatures a power structure needs to be careful with.
Agreed, which is why I am (a) a eugenicist and (b) see the goals of any system of law enforcement solely as removing threats to normal people.
There's also another form of complacency, which is that the more you succeed, the more everyone goes to sleep, so we need to breed wolves and bears to pick off the unwary.
@amerika @freepatriot funny fact of life, you are correct. those bears and wolves make for stronger society and better progress. great warriors aren't made by watching tv and drinking beer all day lol
#monarchism forever
#democracy never