@breaker @freepatriot

> We're more free than all the other nations in the world, with God-given rights, guaranteed to us at birth.

I guess God only gave those rights to Americans.

@breaker @freepatriot ...And he doubles down.

> Everyone should have the rights guaranteed in the US Constitution.

You don't get it. Everyone *does* have them: that's the goddamn point. If the law was what decided these things, there wouldn't be a justification to form this country to begin with. You ain't paid attention to Jefferson except at the ATM. "B-but they made us memorize the Declaration in the fourth grade!" Try fuckin' reading it. The Constitution doesn't "grant" anything. It *can't* give you something you have: it just promises not to fuck it all up.

> They need to have their own peaceful 1776

1776 wasn't peaceful.

> tell their governments they want guaranteed protected rights.

If you have to ask, you have already handed the decision to someone else. "God-given", my ass. "Inalienable", go fuck yourself. You let the people that view the rest of humanity as cattle decide what "rights" means. You've voluntarily waived your humanity. It's disgusting, don't do it.

But, hey, you get to be on a website where you are allowed to say the gamer words. That's what's really important, right?

@p

Wrong. If you're not in America you don't. You're the smartest moron I've seen today. Do your research before repling.

@freepatriot

@breaker @freepatriot

> If you're not in America you don't.

You fucking retard. "Endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights" means what, precisely? Did no one get endowed with those rights before? Did God pass along this memo just to some of the people or did George III just not check his mail very often? What does "inalienable" mean? What did it mean when Jefferson said "a bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference" in his letter to Madison? ( https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-12-02-0454 ) Franklin's letter to the government of Quebec on freedom of speech? Why do all the goddamn amendments phrase so carefully that the government should not interfere with a right, rather than granting those rights?

You don't understand the philosophical grounding. You can read these men in their own words for free and you haven't. The entire point was that these are the natural rights of men and that they cannot be taken away: by virtue of their humanity, everyone has these rights. If a government violates them, that act of the government is illegitimate: the rights are inalienable. This is the basis, this is the justification for the liberation of the colonies, and you take the version carefully crafted by people that want to move the fundamental rights of all men under the purview of the government so that they can take it if they want. Your ignorance of the reasoning guarantees that you will lose what you have.

Who the fuck is the government and on what grounds can they "grant" me the right to speak?

> Do your research before repling.

The stones on this dipshit. Show me, dipshit, where it is carefully explained that freedom of speech is somehow "granted" by the government. This would mean they have authority over it: they can take it away if they can grant it. You will not find these your assertions on any page before the 20th century. They let you write the Declaration and you say "should be given by the government if people keep asking peacefully" instead of "endowed by their Creator" and we'd have been fucked even sooner.

Here is a free copy of the Federalist Papers. You might find the text of the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom enlightening. You have no excuse, you live in a time where you have unprecedented easy access to all of the words written by all of the people that built the society you live in and all you have to do is move your hand a little bit and then look at the goddamn screen. You sit there with your AIslop avatar, the fruit of hours, no doubt, of clicking on the "make me more pictures, robot" and waiting and then saying "ha funny pictuar" when the machine filled the trough again, and you can't be bothered to goddamn read.
federalist.txt

@breaker Depends what you want to do. In Mexico you can buy most drugs over the counter cheap, try this in the US and you go to prison for selling or buying. All first world countries now maintain a panoptic monitoring system and use vast intelligence agencies to rig media and censor speech. This is because the kikes are trying to kill all White people and they don't want this mentioned.

@judgedread @breaker They tightened things up in Mexico recently and now you need a prescriptions for certain drugs.
Dr visits are about 3 dollars though .

This was done because a lot of people realized they were getting ripped off when buying prescriptions in the US and going there to refill.

I don’t understand why this allowed in the US, same with the annual eyeglass prescription scam. Only in the US.

@Simpadoo Because the US is run by kikes, and they have a billion scams.

You're right about the present system, but it could be changed.

Cease to enforce usurious contracts, and no one will buy interest-bearing bonds.

Or enforce the original Westminster principle of "no parliament may bind its successors" and then every election would be a sovereign default

@a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

They will quickly find a way around that.

Voters play the victim until free stuff arrives.

We have laws and Constitutions to impede that.

Without those, there is only force.

@a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

Constitutions are easily inverted with amendments.

The voters periodically go insane and they always want a jubilee.

Periodic insanity is better than continuous; just as Constitutional democracy is better than Absolutism.

@a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

I do not agree at all. Democracy is steady decline.

"The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

- Thomas Jefferson, letter dated November 13, 1787, to William Stephens Smith

@a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

Liberty, freedom, etc are to me a means to an end.

They are not ends in themselves.

The problem with the voters is (a) cowardice in peer pressure and (b) lacking the wiring to understand things.

You cannot raise IQ.

IQs of 130+ are required to understand most issues.

Less than 2 years later, the Articles of Confederation were replaced with the corporate oligarchy serving American Constitution and the rebellion was effectively over (as we have seen play out ever since).

@monarchist @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

This, I think, cannot be doubted by anyone. The interesting question for me is "why"?

Can the trend be reversed?

My non-scientific guess is that it is a composite problem composed of many things.

Social media and modern technology have turned us into hunter after instant gratification. It's teaching people to chasing dopamine highs, instead of hard work.

@monarchist @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

The government realizing that stupid people are easier to control than intelligent people are doing their bit to help by lowering the standard of education everywhere.

The woke mind virus is teaching us that objective truth does not exist and that the biggest minority calls the shots.

Audiobooks is making people forget how to read and how to think.

@monarchist @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot There you have it. I think those things are strongly contributing to the fall of democracy on a global level.

@h4890 @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

I default to biology.

High taxes make the smart stop breeding.

Ethnic mixing, gene drift, and inbreeding contribute to genetic decay.

Loss of culture makes people centerless and inert.

@monarchist @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

Loss of culture, I agree.

But high taxes? If people are smart, won't they just move or plan around that?

I pay 7%-14% total in tax, and if I can do it, so can many, many more people.

Something is stopping them from working around taxes... I go back to instant gratification, and as you say, loss of culture.

@h4890 @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

The average person works a job and has no idea how to generate those kind of deductions.

@monarchist @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

This is the sad truth. Also note that some are so indoctrinated, they cannot even imagine any other life than a job, working for 40 years, government takes at least half, if not more, retire and die. It is very sad.

@h4890 @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

People are heavily demoralized.

All the stuff we thought was good turned out bad.

As recently as 1800, almost all Western men were self employed.

Even in the early 1900s, Henry Ford had to offer 4x to 5x the going rate for unskilled labour to get even desperate recent immigrants to take dead-end assembly-line jobs with no prospect of becoming one's own master.

Now, though, even most professional office work is assembly-line and "stove-piped".

This level intermediation, centralisation, dependency and parasitism didn't "just happen", it required construction of new ideological and cultural institutions, and a lot of violent intervention by the State.

#Killdozer Man died for all of us, if you read his story...

@a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @h4890 @freepatriot

I think we were better off having people be self-employed as independent small businesses.

Corporate job barns make people ultra-tarded.

@monarchist @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

This is the truth! But note how the system actively tries to discourage this from happening. People who never tried, and only had corporate jobs, have no idea how exploited they are.

@h4890 @a96a35a224402b8075c4da20f0477896afcc3395b6fad63e30a648a8222a6a69 @freepatriot

They don't care

However, there are consequences to mass exploitation, like ecocide

Most people know they should be exploited, and want to be so they can always play the victim.

@monarchist @freepatriot Actually the people have voted against free spending many times but have been frustrated by the government almost every time