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@h4890 @freepatriot

We can already see how unions, insurance, and social benefits are the doorway to Communism!

@h4890 @freepatriot

Corporate jobs reward people who spend lots of time at jobs.

Capitalism rewards those who get the shit done best quickest.

@h4890 @freepatriot

The closest analogue we have is the deep ocean

Politically, no one can own it

Freedom is not an illusion.

Gun bans are real. Checkpoints are real. NSA wiretapping is real.

Freedom is not an illusion.

Gun bans are real. Checkpoints are real. NSA wiretapping is real.

@freepatriot They didn't live there.

Actually, the USSR was a huge success at motivating America and raising American and Western European living standards. The fear of Communism made Western elites treat the masses better. Those gains were all clawed back once Communism fell.

But it sucked to actually live under Communism.

@monarchist @freepatriot Interesting. Intangible commons. First time I heard of this concept. Maybe something for a future blog post for you? Unless you already have it somewhere on your site. =)

@monarchist @freepatriot Hah! You just wait until someone figures out a way to extract value from the moon at a profit. Then the moon will be "owned" as quickly as it takes to write a contract or a "constitution". ;)

@h4890 @freepatriot

Yes, it's a collaboration with longtime homies.

The problem is that the intangible commons will always be there: public behavior, goodwill toward each other, ability to agree on anything.

Without that, everything is a two-hour HOA meeting...

@monarchist @freepatriot Agreed! I think that is an excellent start! By starting with cutting out all the problems of todays world, I suspect you and I would follow a common path pretty far, before we might start to diverge on some questions.

My problem with monarchy is that it is also unstable. All it takes is one bad ruler and the house collapses. This has been seen time and time again in history. That being said however, monarchy does have its benefits as well!

I think a lot could be

@monarchist @freepatriot I agree! Libertarianism only takes you to the point where you have the maximum amounf of time and resources to devote to.... X.

That X, is up to you. Be it religion, philosophy, science etc. That activity is probably one of your core values.

Looking to myself, since I do have some amount of liberty (more than the average man) I spend it on philosophy, furthering the cause of liberty (like here), my family,

@monarchist @freepatriot Yes. Either that, or you could take some inspiration from oil platforms and current experimental sea based wind power farms, and with that technological foundation, you might even be able to build something on rocky waters that might feel fairly stable! That would push the project into the billions though. =/

The micro version, perpetually travelling on a yacht between caribbean islands is available a lot more easily though! ;)

@monarchist @freepatriot That is the questions of if we look at it in a binary way or a vastly larger scale.

Maybe it can be argued that societies need a certain "baseline" level of liberty in order to be successful. If you drop below that level, society will retrogress to medieval living standards. See the starvation in soviet and maoist china as examples of when liberty was cut back too much.

But a minimum level of liberty does not make society free.

But the question is interesting!

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