A perfect example of the issue I have with many Libertarians came up again with the Renee Good shooting. No surprise, many Libertarians were against the ICE agent shooting Good.
The thing about this situation is that like many other scenarios, Good being shot was not an event that happened in a vaccuum. There are many, many other factors that cannot be ignored. One of which is why she even had her car there in the first place.
Like many other agitators, she was there in attempt to disrupt ICE from carrying out their actions. And what are these actions? Dealing with those who were committing fraud and should not be in this country.
And here is where we need to confront Libertarians about the bigger picture. What is their plan to deal with this fraud? Usually they are fine grandstanding about how they are against having welfare of any kind, but they have neither the will nor the capability to actually cut any welfare.
So when we have a corruption with the system when it comes to fraud with tax dollars, how do we address this? Libertarians may not like the idea of having different parts of government coming down on one part of the government (since they are often purists), but maintaining principles would come at the cost of having nothing done. Because it is not merely the immigrants who are the problem here, but other parts of government who are enabling and possibly getting their own cut from the fraud.
Tangenting for a moment regarding Colorado and marijuana. Libertarians may point to legalization of marijuana as a victory of "more freedom," but consider the outcomes of this legalization. Did Colorado become more free or Libertarian as a result of pot legalization? I would argue no. Libertarians who think in such short sighted ways will not only not get more freedom, but often work against themselves. It turns out many people who are pro-marijuana actually do not care about freedom.
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CO's mistake was merely being the first to do it. Legal weed drew in miscreants and shitlibs from all over the country. If we had waited until more did it, we'd have been fine. But without us going first, it might not have happened elsewhere. WA had a pretty rocky rollout. We did it well and showed everyone else how to do it decently well.
So when we are dealing with having ICE operate in Minnesota, we still need to look at the bigger picture. If they can successfully make a difference in rooting out those committing fraud and make the system less corrupt, that would be a step in the correct direction to having more freedom. Because having your money stolen is bad enough when the government does it, but when it is stolen again through those who are cheating the system (gov officials included here), then it makes for less freedom.