@amerika

They can not survive without Western Civilization to leach off of like a parasitic leach sucks blood

Problem is when they suck the blood it destroys the host they need to survive

They are stupid and taking so much blood from the host that the host will die resulting in their death unless the host removes or destroys them

If they suck less blood they could co exist with the host without causing their own extinction by trying to suck so much blood they would kill the host

@shortstories

I think this misses on the positive contributions of Jews, and assigns too much agency to them as a group.

But diversity does everything you describe, no matter what groups are involved.

@amerika

Can you give examples of kind things that people of Jewish ancestry have done for Gentiles on the basis of the version of the Jewish religion that rejects the old testament and instead uses books like the Talmud, the Mishnah, The Kabbalah, and the writings and sayings of the Rambam like Maimonides and Nachmanides?

@shortstories

I do not know the religious side of it, but I know that Jews have contributed greatly to science, mathematics, funding the arts, and technology.

@amerika

Can you give examples of science contributions or inventions that they have made ( which are not fake ) in which they have not stolen credit from

People who

Are not of the Jewish religion
Are not of the Jewish race

@shortstories

Myron Tribus was the fellow I was reading today, but advanced mathematics and physics are full of Jewish contributions.

Jews keep the symphonies running in most of our cities while hwites are busy listening to pop and country.

@amerika

I think Einstein's Jewish Special and General Theory of relativity are fake science

but even if it is legitimate is was stolen

Relativity priority dispute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_priority_dispute

Newtonian physics and Newtonian relativity is close enough to being real

@shortstories

Yes, and all of it came from the Upanishads via Schopenhauer, who both Einstein and Hitler read.

However, Einstein did the math.

@amerika

I thought the Upanishads were written in Hindi or Sanskrit and were from in or near India

@shortstories

Yes, they were. Probably remnants of the original Proto-Indo-European Faith, finally written down, since the Old Pagans never wrote anything down because they knew symbols were dead notions that would be corrupted.

@shortstories

Good stuff: https://sacred-texts.com/hin/sbe01/index.htm

I think everyone should read the Bhagavad-Gita, Aeneid, Odyssey, Iliad, and Kalevala.

@amerika

Do they have something similar to Strong's concordance numbers for translations of any of those texts?

Where you look up the foreign word that goes with the English word

In some English Bible translations like the King James ( and also the NASB and NIV if I remember correctly )each Greek or Hebrew word is assigned a number and you can look up all the places that share the number and the definition of that words based on the numbers

@shortstories

I know there are editions that do this, but I do not have a list handy, sorry.

I read them all except the Aeneid - this is the first time I hear about it. The Hindu text is just too fantastic to be taken seriously. Most cultures deal with this sort of literature in folklore and fairy tales.

@FourOh-LLC @shortstories

I tend to see all religious texts as metaphorical.

Anything else gets ludicrous fast.

The Hindus described the basics very well, and then other stuff got grafted on to explain what were perceived as plot holes.

The biggest fail of the Hindu text is that the Universe is old, its at the end of an "era". Patently false, the universe is so young that some of the longest living objects, like black dwarfs, will not come to existence for another trillion years.

Even Earth has another billion years or so to live before our sun gets too hot for life.

Discrediting "sacred texts" must happen to separate superstition and imagination from Faith.

Another huge fail about the Hindu text is where it describes the ways to break free from the cycle of rebirth. One is to become so evil, so vile that Krisna decides to kill you - thus being killed by a God you are freed from karma.

This is really fucked up, if you think about it.

SHEEEEEIT IMMA DEMONSTRATE THUH MELANATED POWUH OF MY ANSESSUHS RIGHT NOW N BUILD SUM PEERAMIDS RITE NIW CRACKUH ASSES WATCH ME HOE

Allegorically it does make some sense though. The Minoans were so evil that everyone remotely associated with the civilization fled and erased everything about the civilization during the bronze age collapse, so all we had left was an ancient myth of the Greeks about an evil civilization and now some ruins.

If the anthropological evidence that the Minoans practiced human sacrifice and dominated the region and demanded people be given up as sacrifices from other people living under their thumbs, that's universally considered evil enough that that sort of civilization tends to get ganged up on by other civilization, and the people of that civilization didn't carry the tenets of the civilization either. Contrast with the Indian civilization which despite being conquered or subjugated by other peoples many times over the millennia, have such a strong culture that ultimately the region's culture has survived.

Another example from ancient history would be the Assyrians, who were so brutal everyone in the region ganged up on them and erased the civilization.

A more contemporary example would be fascism and national socialism, both of which were wiped out because the rest of the world wasn't comfortable with their antisocial ideologies and actions.

It's similar in one respect to the old testament "sins of the father" stuff. People say "That's so unfair! Why should children be punished for the sins of their parents!" but we can show that it's empirically true today. The impact your parents have on you is so powerful it can predict certain outcomes with a 90% certainty. Whether it's fair or not, the behavior of parents defines the children.

Life isn't fair. If we assume that religions are descriptive first and foremost, then they must include parts that are unfair because of that. Otherwise you quickly end up with the paradox from Christianity where "if we have an all loving, all knowing, all powerful God, why does He let evil exist?" and people twist themselves into knots explaining it, but there's a reason Christianity still contains the old testament -- both sets of lessons can be true at the same time, where the universe will wipe you out if you're sinful, but the universe is beautiful and is miraculously set up for humanity to succeed and we need to engage in positive practices like forgiveness to survive as people and as a culture.

(SJ, is there any morning you can put together a post that isn't a wall of text about shit nobody asked about?)

Using a lot of words to say "Islam must be moved in the dustbin of history".

You cannot find a better fitting target for that.

@FourOh-LLC @shortstories @sj_zero

Over time, as they prosper, religions become less extreme toward outsiders and more focused on removing false believers.

@sj_zero @shortstories @FourOh-LLC

I do not believe in the conventional good/evil binary.

Right now, "we" think we know certain things... this will change, as much as it has in the past.

History is a cycle not a line.

@shortstories

Another great example is Mahler promoting Bruckner, whose work was nearly lost to us because he was an ecclesiastical nerd.