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How can you force someone to value their autonomy
Let's say someone lives for going after pleasure in the present moment & avoiding pain in the present moment
In the long run that will undermine their autonomy
For example if someone was trans disabled or trans abled or if they just enjoy cutting themselves
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If someone wants to cut off their own legs
If you do not stop them they undermine their autonomy
But if you stop them you undermine their autonomy
Other example smoking, obesity, etc
And then all of society pulls you to the bottom with them because you can avoid causing problems for yourself through self discipline but you can not prevent them from causing problems for you through your own self discipline when they lack it
@shortstories You just don't help people . You let them sink to the bottom until they realize what they lost and start fixing their shit .