>I saw it on television!
>Haha wow.
>Wow.
>Wow.
If you wanna debate the moon landings, maybe be prepared with more than just a smug redditoid sense of superiority. If you're getting absolutely bodied by Joe Rogan on any topic of debate, you're completely retarded.

RT: https://noauthority.social/users/PNS/statuses/113910293389129469

@Hoss @PNS I don't think the moon landings were faked for the simple reason that people watched them launch the rocket. They needed to build a massive rocket for it to all work, and it was launched in Florida where everyone could see. Then even after it was launched, people were still able to watch them, up to a point, through privately owned telescopes telescopes. I think I was told that the trouble with Apollo 13 was actually witnessed through such a telescope.

If they've already built a rocket large enough to go to the moon, successfully launched it, and successfully sent something out to the moon with it, all in plain sight of everyone, then there's little point in faking it. They've already done 99% of the work right there.

To add to it, if this was all just to own the Russians, then why didn't the Russians call out the US that it was fake? The US needed communication stations all across the planet for the mission, meaning the Russians were probably keeping tabs on it too.

Most of the other problems are easily resolved. "They could have died from radiation, or solar flairs, or if their craft broke!" Yeah, it was dangerous...

"We haven't been back!"

Yeah, because Nixon immediately slashed the budget for NASA. Von Braun wanted to sent people to Venus and Mars next, and NASA decided to dangle a carrot from a stick. "Oh, we need to build a space station first! Oh, we need to build a bigger space station! Oh, we need a space shuttle, it'll keep the NRO guys happy and you'll get your space station that we decided you needed!" Now we're committed to sending a black woman to the moon, and an Indian and a Jew to Mars.

>If they've already built a rocket large enough to go to the moon, successfully launched it, and successfully sent something out to the moon with it, all in plain sight of everyone, then there's little point in faking it. They've already done 99% of the work right there.
None of this I deny, but it's always possible they sent empty payloads to the moon because they knew manned crews couldn't survive.
>To add to it, if this was all just to own the Russians, then why didn't the Russians call out the US that it was fake?
At that point the Soviets already had fairly matured ICBM platforms that could reliably deliver nuclear warheads to the continental United States. I could see them just taking the easy out they were given in order to reduce spending on expensive Space Race programs that they knew had unsustainable costs.

@Hoss @Elliptica @PNS Imo the believability is not in any of the technology, you can take it or leave it. But in the people. I really don't think Americans are that duty-bound and honor-bound to keep to a lie if they could get any amount of acclaim from it. One of the OG astronauts would have broken and confessed were it the case, just for the attention.

I'm not entirely closed off to it being the truth, I just think questioning it should be encouraged like everything else we're told from childhood.

@Hoss @PNS @Elliptica Yeah that's fine. I think most of the gayops have come out at this point, it's really damn hard for people, especially in this age, to keep a lid on things unless it involves Jews.

I do the flat earth thing for meme, but I think it's wrong that normies generally associate Apollo skeptics with the flat earthers. They're not the same, I think there are legitimate questions to be asked about the moon landings whether we went there or not.

@Hoss @PNS @Elliptica So to dive into that, what in particular are these astronauts then, out of curiosity? I mean just to give the argument its due. Just well-paid actors? CIA agents? How do they keep a lid on this dynamite?

Larger groups of people have lied to us about massive things before (9/11, covid). The environment I grew up in naturally made me question things an authority asserts as fact, and reality has proven the meme study that declared "the more people involved in a conspiracy, the harder it is to maintain" is largely false. And you can say that's not the case because it's been confirmed the things we were told about covid were largely bullshit, but that information only came out once the narrative had been established, the normies don't care to learn they had been lied to. The vast majority of people will believe the lies they were told to be facts about covid for the rest of their lives.

@Hoss @PNS @Elliptica Well the thing about 9/11 for instance, is that while a lot of people have lied about it, the vast majority do so unknowingly. The actual people who orchestrated the lie are probably pretty small. So that the whole thing was orchestrated by Jews (my take), perhaps this is the knowledge of a collection of language-barrier Jews, a few insider Jews who know to shut up, and a bunch of dead Arabs. Covid is a bit different because it's actually scientifically complex, and even the average doctor doesn't have the cycles to go about investigating it, even if they have the credentials to do so. I think the actual people originating the misinformation around Covid are probably once again a small group of politically motivated actors. I think in each case we can look at these groups and break down their motives. I also am skeptical about what my authority figures have told me; I think we can break down motivations and timelines and things such as these, if we choose to believe in particular alternative theories on events, which are fine in and of themselves imo.

It was different back then, I'm sure. People had more trust. Guys like me are products of a world where trust has never existed. This disposition I have can certainly cause me to be wrong, but it's lead me to correct conclusions with a much greater success than flipping a coin.