@Zergling_man @djsumdog

If I had to guess it is not javascript that is the problem but javascript libraries plus trying to keep things updated that is the problem

If you write code to do certain basic things that do not need constant updating and do not access a library then if it works it should continue to work

Once someone puts library software in the code working code can malfunction when the library changes

@shortstories @djsumdog Browse the web with scripts disabled, then browse it with scripts enabled.
Observe, with your own eyes, the performance difference.

uBlock Origin makes it easy to disable JS universally and enable it selectivity, without the complexity of uMatrix. The speed differences is noticeable.

Also, the Gentoo wiki has no such Javascript "proof of work" for accessing it.

@djsumdog @shortstories Maybe I will start using gentoo wiki.

@Zergling_man @djsumdog

I would suggest there are two reasons for the difference

1 Having more code to run slows down everything in exchange for doing whatever adfitional feature is provided by running the code

2 The problem is not primarily from Javascript itself other than the mistake of whoever put the library feature. I would suggest the problem is with people who are bad at computer programming writing the code in Javascript using libraries because they do not know how to program

@shortstories @djsumdog It's just 1. It's all 1.
If it were actually an "additional feature" it would make sense.
99% of the time it is not. Like loading a form; as if there isn't a standard way to do that already.

@Zergling_man @djsumdog
If someone does not know how to program something or is too lazy to do it themself they will use someone else's library

These libraries can change at any time

So what might have worked might stop working when the library is changed

These libraries allow people who do not know what they are doing to look competant and slip in bad code that will malfunction later after they get paid to do their job.

I would suggest that these libraries are an additional serious problem

@shortstories @djsumdog They are, motherfuckers need package management, but that's really not what I'm talking about. It's a completely different scenario.

https://michael.orlitzky.com/articles/motherfuckers_need_package_management.xhtml

@Zergling_man @djsumdog

That article on package management you posted is helpful. It gives me vocabulary. I do not know much about this stuff. I tried to learn Javascript from an online course and it seemed really good at first and then it got into that library stuff. And I was like I just want to learn to write code from scratch and actually understand what I am doing instead of borrowing other people's code and I quit.

I am not very good with computer languages but wanted to learn

@shortstories @djsumdog If you want to learn programming stuff, you can ask pretty much anyone around here.
I don't recommend starting with js because it necessarily leads to web, because any time you have the option to use any other language, you should take it; The only time you don't have that option is when trying to run code in someone else's web browser.
I actually don't recommend starting with python either just because it will fuck you quietly in certain specific areas unless you know C; though those areas are relatively quick to explain.
Everyone has strong opinions on every language. Bash is probably the most immediately useful.

@Zergling_man
My plan was to practice javascript by using an internet browser to open programs offline

I tried to learn python via an online public library course but could not even get it installed this was years ago

I have decided to give up on learning any programming languages for now

Whenever I need to learn things whatever the current thing is will change by then, if I ever need to learn such things

That is why I prefer to stick with math, physics and chemistry it does not chamge

I have no idea what you're arguing. The problem I had was I couldn't see a static website because it requires Javascript, NOT for functionality, not even for DDoS protection, but to solve a proof of work because they don't want to be scraped by "AI" ... an open source documentation site not wanting to be scraped. Let that sink in.

@djsumdog @Zergling_man

I think they wanted to avoid moral accountability or accountability for being caught making mistakes

I think some people infiltrated it and made it into a cult

And maybe it is also part of their planned cyber pandemic

They do not want people to have easy open source alternatives

They want a monopoly so they can control lines of communication to prevent access to information that will get people to doubt they should have blind faith in mainstream media

@djsumdog @Zergling_man

If they can ruin information about open source software and ruin future editions of open source software and remove past editions of open source software then they can more easily maintain their monopoly

@shortstories @djsumdog That would imply whoever maintains archlinux.org is a plant.

@Zergling_man @djsumdog

They could be a good intentioned but misinformed plant who was duped by a third party