@bajax Seneca believed suicide to be acceptable if one is on the path to spiritual transcendence and the body is an object of hindrance on that journey.
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I am going to guess that if they are committing suicide and not sacrificing their lives to save someone else then someone intending to commit suicide and also attempting to commit suicide is on the spiritual path of a downgrade and not an updgrade

Suicide is morally bad because it prevents you from the opportunity to live on to do something morally good

Sacrifice can be different than suicide

Sacrifice can involve risking your life to do good or avoid evil

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@shortstories @Forestofenchantment rofl no I think he's just telling me to kms because he dislikes me

@Forestofenchantment @bajax

Dr Ngandu is saying very Canadian politician type things

Is Doctor Ngandu a Canadian "medical" doctor?

@shortstories @bajax You're forgetting the spiritual transcendence part. Being so free that even the thought of an exotericized Heavens to be restraining is far superior than any action on the temporal plane.
@shortstories @Forestofenchantment no it's morally bad because life is inherently valuable. in so many words that's what most people believe. thinking it's bad because of the good you might do is extremely utilitarian which is a dead end anyway

@bajax @Forestofenchantment

There is a trolley it is going to either run over two people who are not murderers or a murderer with a gun who is trying to shoot those two people in order to murder them

You can not save both

If life is inherently valuable then the lives of the two people are more valuable than the life of the one murderer

This is a very utilitarian approach showing that what good or bad one would go on to do with their life if they do not die matters if life has inherent value

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