Trump is now starting a civil war between Protestants and Catholics for seemingly no other reason than to distract from the fact that he raped kids on Epstein Island.

Can I still talk to my Irish stepdad, or what level war are we at??

No Catholic ever called me "goyim".

No, but they burned so-called "heretics" at the stake for trying to translate the Bible into English.

It’s more that various heretics over the years attempted to make unauthorized Biblical translations into common languages at the time. More recent examples of this - like Jehovah’s Witnesses “New World Translation” - are illustrative that the concern was and is basically valid. I‘m not even a papist and I can see what the real problem was.

>various heretics over the years attempted to make unauthorized Biblical translations

like the Johannine comma?

Of course it’s just as likely imo the “best early manuscripts” survived as long as they did because chunks of the originals got skipped - so they were buried in the architecture rather than manhandled. I cannot say for certain.

I don't understand what you are saying. Are you making excuses for the Johannine comma but judging, or frankly any earlier translation, while judging more modern ones (I think most translations are dogshit anyway)

I just don’t think I know enough about the state of the existing text-types that actually existed in the 3rd and 4th centuries, to make any sort of authoritative statement about it. St. Jerome received Latin texts which had it, that weren’t present in Greek manuscripts at the time. There’s a vast world of possibilities in that; and judging about “what seems most likely” centuries after the fact isn’t really something I take terribly seriously.

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Some people might claim that the Ashkenazi Jews writing the Yiddish language in so called Hebrew letters is proof that Ashkenazi Jews ancestors were from ancient Israel

But the Ancient Hebrew language uses a different alphabet than the modern so called Hebrew alphabet

The language of Aramaic used in the liturgy of some middle eastern Christians is closer to ancient Hebrew than Yiddish is

Additionally Arabic is closer to Hebrew

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Israel also known as Jacob was of Syrian or Aramean ancestry according to some translations of Genesis and Deuteroronomy

Syrian Palestinians have a higher percent ancestry from ancient Israel than Ashkenazi Jews

At least some of The liturgy in at least some Churches among the Church of the East is in Syriac

Part of a liturgy

Neither His Godhead is of the nature of the mother,
Nor His humanity of the nature of the Father;

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Mar Babai Church of the East liturgy explaining what he thought of the trinity and the incarnation without using those words at link

word limit

https://web.archive.org/web/20170210080240/http://www.nestorian.org/

Right; I’m not a Nestorean though - and therefore believe in the Hypostatic Union as affirmed at Chalcedon 🥂

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I can understand the difference between the position of the Oriental Orthodox and some among the Church of the East

But I can not even understand what the rhird position of the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox that you call hypostatic Union is

But a Roman Catholic Pope wrote a statement of agreement with the Church of the East after the Roman Catholic Church so called infallibly dogmaticly declared them wrong in a council

The Hypostatic Union affirms Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man; that is, two Natures - Human and Divine - united into a single Person.

What occasioned the discussion was the fallout / aftermath of the deposition of Abp. Nestorius, who infamously denied the use of the term “Theotokos” to the Virgin Mary - proposing instead the term “Christotokos“.

This was anathematized at the Third Ecumenical Council, largely due to the work of Abp. Cyril of Alexandria. One of his foundational texts affirmed a “single Nature” of Christ - but that teaching was clarified at Chalcedon with the more accurate term “Person”.

Monophysites are those that rejected the Chalcedonian “update” - insisting that Jesus Christ only has a single Nature; ostensibly on the grounds they think for sure that Abp. Cyril absolutely meant that, literally as stated - not that it was an outgrowth of the enormously complicated difficulties stemming from translating between vastly different languages.

To me, it’s quite obvious that Chalcedon is correct.