How many countries don't have a rothchild banking system installed?
@GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Probably most of the communist ones have state banking instead of private banking. Are there others?
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Twin Oaks is the closest thing to real communism that really works in real life that I know of
They sell goods to outsiders then distribute to community members in a for needs basis in a communist manner
The trick to real communism working without creating poverty is being allowed to reject people from the community
Communism with open membership and open borders always leads to mass starvation
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker What about Liberation Theology though?
There's a reason it only (kinda) worked on brown mutts in the new world but nowhere else.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @shortstories @GoonPatrol @multiversal_gangstalker Judeochristianity worry is probably why some of these movements went the secular route (even if later reversing some of those policies) IMO.
@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Yeah, especially ML types. However it is important to also get to the essence of some of these things. Religion has often been used by the powers that be to enforce the status quo. I don't know if people really would argue that this is always false. However Marx wasn't really obsessed with "proving god doesn't exist" as you'd expect a Atheist to:
Some scholars classify Marx not as a typical "atheist" who is obsessed with proving God doesn't exist, but as a "post-theist" who viewed god-worship as an obsolete stage of history.
@multiversal_gangstalker @shortstories @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta Well I "get it" in the sense that you don't really "need" religion to operate a economic and political system. However, I think some of the historical arguments on atheism are a bit dated.
Historical materialism likes to basically think of itself as a science. However, science is neither atheist nor theist in nature. To claim god exists or doesn't exist is a immaterial question. You would first have to define god (something that is probably impossible in a diverse society) and find ways of measuring if god exists or not. These are not scientific questions so therefore it would be a mistake for a modern Marxist to claim to be either atheist or a theist if they are trying to be true to their principles. I think part of this is that atheism meant something a little different before than it does today. More on this here:
I don’t see how “atheism” is “lack of belief“ - as the word clearly means “not-God-ism”.
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There is a higher power called the laws of physics that all people will eventually be held accountable for the consequences of persistent and habitual bad actions
If someone habitually murders others they will eventually be punished by society by either living in a society that tolerates murder and being murdered or by being punished for murder
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Many self proclaimed atheists believe humanity is a higher power than the laws of physics and that humans can vote in such a way that they can avoid being held accountable for the consequences of their actions by a higher power
But physics is a higher power than humanity and results in moral laws of facing the consequences for your actions
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An Atheist who denies frewill has more in common with a Calvinist who denies free will than a Calvinist who denies free will has in common with a Methodist or Free Will Baptist
