@sardonicsmile After being shown the data and THE cause of birthrates I accepted the data and reality. It just astounds me on my journey from Lolbert, and Misguided Tradcon is that people are totally unwilling to accept the solutions they don't like. I was 95% split seeing the general data, but 100% when the guys on the show brought up Hungary's birth rates that NEVER improved meaningfully. It is hard to accept for some people because socialization of it for 100+ years now with the data there.