@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Freedom loving individuals are normally anti-centralized power. I figured You would be for anything increasing personally liberty. If you have one passport you are a slave to that govt. They can revoke your passport at anytime, tell control your investments, and if you are American they you have to pay taxes on world wide income. I hate centralized power this is why I have dual citizenship as an insurance policy. I am not a troll I have been listening to TFM for years.

@VeganBob @Tfmonkey @VeganBob @Tfmonkey here go read this conversation where monke makes himself very clear.

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@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Yes the other person makes very good points but I would NEVER under any circumstances want one govt to have full control of me. Even if it was a based patriarchal country etc. I hate the idea of centralized control because it always leads to corruption. I want flexibility in all things. That's why I hate the idea of family because I am stuck in a family and I can't leave if I wanted to.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Also countries are corporations. You are not married to one. You have the shoppers card "citizenship" that gives you discounts and privileges that's it. No loyalty, duty ,brotherhood or any that BS. You pay taxes that's it. People use national zeal to take advantage over you so I ignore all patriotism. Patriotism is just a tool by leaders to use you. Am I really that bad TFM? I am not the enemy. You act like I am Destiny attacking you. I am not....

@VeganBob @Tfmonkey @VeganBob @Tfmonkey setting the dual citizenship stuff aside, let's talk about this pathological individualism of yours. It's anti-human, ultimately. Solipsistic. You can't escape family. Not genetically. If don't have kids, congrats, you're a genetic dead-end. Have fun with the life you have. If you have kids outside of sperm bank donations, then you're responsible for their existence. That's your family. I say it's anti-human because it's such an alien mindset to the human condition. The human species wouldn't be able to survive if it was like you. Humans thrived and conquered the planet because we cooperated with each other. You are able to exist in society and not live like a wild animal BECAUSE other people aren't like you. The only thing TFM can say to someone like you, who rejects anything other than pure individualism is: "okay good for you go do whatever you want." He believes in helping like minded individuals. You only care about yourself. He believes in community with shared values. You believe you are an island. There's no compromise to be had here, no matter how much you repeat yourself to him.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey I believe in capitalism where you are given a fair market value for action not shame, guilt, fake praise etc. As TFM has pointed out in the past, this is just manipulation. Since marriage, family and community are built on manipulation I am not interested. This why tradcucks want MGTOW to man up and marry that 600 Ib single mom. It's our "duty" to society and the white race etc. Can't you see?

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey I am not humanities pawn to be thrown away. A third of homeless men are veterans. Does society care? No. They were used like cogs in a machine and thrown in the trash. They don't care about you so why should you care about them? I am nobody's doormat.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey My biggest question is how you can be individualistic and still care about others etc while loving the fact that the weak will be killed. That's what I can't understand. I not being an asshole. What do you know that I don't?

@VeganBob @Tfmonkey @VeganBob @Tfmonkey the simple answer to that, without trying to speak for TFM, is that the world isn't black and white. We're not either/or. It's all a matter of degree. Even on TFM's political trichotomy chart one can have some values of stability and move an inch from individualism without immediately switching sides to full on tradcuck-ism.

Nuance always exists in the real world.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey I am really not trying to be an argumentative asshole. I just don't understand how he has been publicly burned by people on his own side and still want community. He was called a Pedo from a good friend publicly. I would just say fuck society and focus on myself. So there most be something I am missing...

@VeganBob @Tfmonkey @VeganBob @Tfmonkey now look on the flipside. How many people did not burn him? How many people are now working together with him as part of a community to build something better? I bet it outnumbers the people who betrayed him. Nuance.

The best way to "understand" is to simply accept that you and him have different values, life experiences and tolerance levels.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey You are right I will accept him. I don't understand why he is benevolent. I couldn't do that. To me one asshole can completely destroy you, if DDJ had known tfms business etc he would have been canceled with no mercy. There is no mercy these days you say or do something 30 years ago and society wants to cancel you. I will not ask about it anymore...

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Also it sounds so close to Elizabeth Warren's and other communist speech you are too selfish you need to share. We need more money for the "community" etc. I am like the butcher doesn't work for the community he works for money the world revolves around money. Ask the butcher for some ham without money see what happens!!!

@VeganBob @Tfmonkey @VeganBob @Tfmonkey this is where the problems happen. Everything ended nicely, but then you started overthinking things and now you come back with some side point that no one was arguing for and only muddies the waters. This is autism.

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey I have conceded. I will leave him alone. Just kept the conversation going in my head...

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey In New business!!! I am surprised that it wasn't women. They probably performed the experiment wrong. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-09/young-educated-american-men-quite-quit-jobs-most-during-covid?utm_campaign=instagram-bio-link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram&utm_content=businessweek&leadSource=uverify%20wall

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Looks like the Gods are not in our favor. Warm weather all the way until Jan 24th... https://youtu.be/d7h51njVu9w

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey Sorry TFM FOR the rant. 😡 You tell customers to have a professional do the work and pick out the parts because of compatibility issues. They don't listen to us trying to be cheap. Now they are mad that the parts they bought online don't fit and so they of course give me a 1 ⭐ review!!!! How do you stay in the lightside I don't know. Of course because of this customer first service shit we can't say anything!!!! Just wanna force choke 'em!!!

@ButtWorldsMan @Tfmonkey To me everyone is an enemy someone not to be trusted. So I will work with them to get my goals but once I have them I am gone...