If the symmetric, left and right derivatives all exist and are all real numbers then

The value of the symmetric derivative is always between the value of the left derivative and the value of the right derivative or is equal to the value of the right and or left derivative

@shortstories

Poorly worded. It is equal to left and right IFF differentiable.

@UncleIroh

Y = absolute value of x

at x = 0

the symmetric derivative equals 0

The right hand derivative equals positive 1

The left hand derivative equals negative 1

The symmetric derivative is between the left and right derivative

Is there a case where the symmetric derivative is not between the left and right hand derivative?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetri

@shortstories

To be more accurate I should have said it is equal to left and right IFF it is differentiable AT THAT POINT.

i.e. it must have equal left and right derivatives at that point, otherwise the symmetric derivative simply does not exist.

That function would lack a well-defined derivative (at that point).

@shortstories

But tbh, I concede I could be wrong. This is not my wheelhouse anymore.

@UncleIroh

Because 1 / 0 is undefined or does not exist

The right and left derivative of

y = 1 / ( x * x )

do not exist or are undefined when x = 0

but the symmetric derivative exists and is equal to 0

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetri

@shortstories

OK, sure you can deliberately choose to use a discontinuity as an example of an exception.

Your original question made it seem like you were asking about normal continuous functions, but you were setting up a gotcha the whole time. Boo!

@UncleIroh

I am just saying that the symmetric derivitive is not the same as the derivitive that you get if the left and right derivatives are equal

I want to know when the left and right derivatives are not equal but are both defined and real numbers

Is the symmetric derivative always between the right and left derivative

Now Wikipedia seems to say it is the average of the right and left derivative when both such derivatives exist

Which would mean it is between the two

But I am unsure

@UncleIroh

So what I want to know is

if the right derivative exists and the symmetric derivative exists and the left derivative exists

But the left derivative does not equal the right derivative

Will the symmetric derivative always be between the right and left derivatives in such a case

If the right and left derivatives are real numbers

@shortstories

I'm sure I could work through it if I put the time in to understand beyond my wonky recollections, but it just doesn't hold the same interest for me as it used to.

You're better off searching for hashtag and getting into it with someone who has more passion for it than I do.

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@shortstories

Still, here's something someone just posted under which is quite fun:

1³+2³+3³+4³+5³+6³+7³+8³+9³
=
2025
=
(1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9)²

It's called the Nichomachos' Identity

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