Could this be how new scientist feel when, they find theie first book of science, or maybe the book found them but, i can't seem to get this book out of my mine, its like my first stepping stine for my life to science.

Its a book about nature in general. Origins of humans, different typea of rocks, elementary material to be honest but, the same thing i thought when i read my elementary history text book, and i came out understanding more then i did before.

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What is the book?

Does it exist in English or an English translation?

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My opinion about the timeline of natural history is that people just make up stories about the past and call it science

Both Atheists and Theists are guilty of doing that in my opinion

@shortstories @RodrickSage When you put it this way, it sounds cheap and dumb. And it often is.
For better or worse, however, the *vast* majority of Man absolutely cannot escape the need to understand reality as a Narrative. While Science truly consists of facts and hard-data, 99% of us will never possess the necessary understanding of these data on their own terms, and are doomed to “make up a story” about them in order for it to mean anything.
You’re not wrong by any stretch, but the present situation is understandable.
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I think it is "cheap and dumb" when both theistic creationists and atheists make up stories about the distant past and call it science to fit their atheist or theistic agenda

I think they should just stick to using science to make models that make predictions that can be tested and then use the models which seem to often get predictions that work out well enough to make decisions instead of fabricating history and calling it science

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@shortstories @RodrickSage > I think it is "cheap and dumb" …

Agreed, no dispute. It very often is. But the problem I see is that it’s completely subject to “market forces”. And I honestly don’t know that there’s a solution that’s forthcoming.

> … they should just stick to using science to make models that make predictions that can be tested and then use the models which seem to often get predictions that work out well enough to make decisions …

That should indeed be the way it goes. But the real problem is that every one of these guys that sticks to this rule, gets edged out by the other guys with a better “marketing department”.
It is an undeniably shit situation. But my point is that it‘s understandable - not that it’s good or reasonable.

@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage

I do not think this problem would happen in an anarcho-capitalist society

They are not marketing it so that corporations can have better products to sell that achieve better results for their customers based on the principles of science

I think it is the government and synagogues that are funding atheistic "origins science" and the churches and synagogues and mosques that are funding theistic "origins science"

Ironically both Atheists & Theists fund big bang

@shortstories @RodrickSage > They are not marketing it so that corporations can have better products to sell that achieve better results for their customers based on the principles of science …

I know - the reason I put “marketing” in ”scare quotes” is because I’m using it as a synecdoche for storytelling-in-general.
For the Science to be purely facts-driven, the wealthy-and-powerful of the world would have to agree that that’s what *we’re* doing - and not the other guys that are fellating the State, say, or making big sweeping doomsday predictions, or whathaveyou. I don’t mean literal marketing - I just don’t really have a better idea to pin it to.

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I think there are a group of unknown sentient beings even above the so called Jews

These sentient beings use the governments, corporations and religious institutions as media outlets

Instead of using violence to control people

They deceive people with fiction stories that they call news which later becomes official history

They then trick other people into enforcing their will through violence

All these outlets agree on the same fictional news stories

@shortstories @RodrickSage I agree wholeheartedly with this assessment. It makes the most sense of the situation.

@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage

I combined ideas from

Tim Ozman, paranormies and others who shows news fakery

Plus my understanding of brainwashing from Steven Hassan & Mary Alice Chrnalogar

Plus my understanding of Anarchism in the sense of disbelief in the government from Larken Rose, Mark Passio and other anarchists

@shortstories @RodrickSage Nice; see I don’t know that I’ve personally ever heard/read any of those sources - but that in itself serves to validate my view that many men, from many different backgrounds, Traditions, walks-of-life etc, are landing on similar conclusions, precisely because we’re observing the same objective realities.
How I tie this to the previous points, is that in my experience, many of those in the position to finance scientific research, consider these sorts of positions as “populism” - which automatically disqualifies us from consideration by grantwriters or R&D departments. It’s darn tragic, imo.
@shortstories @RodrickSage In other words, we’d first need a story to “sell it to” the ones in the position to fund us.

@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage

I think on the very top of the rulership structure is simply people spinning fiction stories and then putting it through all the other branches like Universities, Governments, Corporate News Stations, and all the major world religious institutions

They all agree that the same stories on the news are true no matter what religion

The news is the one shared world religion

And they even do so with so called science like the news of stuff in space

@shortstories @RodrickSage There’s definitely *something* keeping it all together - that does not come from any single individual man. Something coordinating it, keeping it coherent, “driving the bus” so to speak.

@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage

It might just be a group of human beings who are fiction writers

Who created template scripts

And then the news writers are very lazy and reuse scripts

Multiple Church denominations have scripture plagiarism scandals in which they copy the exact sermons of other pastors in their congregation but change around some sections involving current events, local events and name of congregation members keeping everything else the same

I think news writers do this

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We do not really know that they are human

They could be aliens, demons, robots or some other species

But it is very possible that they are just ordinary humans on the top

I do not think we can know who it is because why would they show their face when they can have a third party show their face and hide their identity

@shortstories @RodrickSage We agree there’s “coherent maleficience” coming from someone(s), somewhere - beyond what could be reasonably expected from base immorality amongst the “public facing” rulers of the world.
And, that this coherence prefers to operate out of the public eye, for pretty obvious reasons.
That’s a pretty big deal.
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