Could this be how new scientist feel when, they find theie first book of science, or maybe the book found them but, i can't seem to get this book out of my mine, its like my first stepping stine for my life to science.
Its a book about nature in general. Origins of humans, different typea of rocks, elementary material to be honest but, the same thing i thought when i read my elementary history text book, and i came out understanding more then i did before.
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My opinion about the timeline of natural history is that people just make up stories about the past and call it science
Both Atheists and Theists are guilty of doing that in my opinion
@shortstories @RodrickSage My honest stance is I don't know, I'm pretty sure this is a godless world due to it's nature, By either them not existing or caring or being able to act I can't say.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @shortstories @RodrickSage > I'm pretty sure this is a godless world, By either them not existing or caring or being able to act.
I held this view for nearly half my adult life, and eventually I changed my mind on the basis of concluding that Free Will is actually one of the highest “Divine Priorities”.
I have no expectation that others will simply agree with that. It’s entirely possible they have absolutely no basis on which *to* believe it; and there’s literally and absolutely nothing I can do or say to change someone’s mind regarding that.
I held this view for nearly half my adult life, and eventually I changed my mind on the basis of concluding that Free Will is actually one of the highest “Divine Priorities”.
I have no expectation that others will simply agree with that. It’s entirely possible they have absolutely no basis on which *to* believe it; and there’s literally and absolutely nothing I can do or say to change someone’s mind regarding that.
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I never finished watching Bruce Almighty but Bruce Almighty deals with these concepts a lot from the parts that I saw
Allan Watz also said god would not give someone a book with all the answers because their brain would rot out
Basically if god(s) wants humans to learn to make better decisions on their own and to be able to make decisions with consequences and values this more than he / she / it / they values preventing evil decisions
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@shortstories @KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage Here's the thing though, there's plenty of ways an allpower entity who wants a certain set of morals to work, Announcing his presence is one, but even so, he could cause bad things to happen to the wicked to give the rightious a shot, at righting things as it were too even if god/s want to remain subtle.
People used to think it worked that way. Jesus even said it doesn’t. Some people still do.
@AmonMaritza @RodrickSage @shortstories @KingOfWhiteAmerica Suppose I'm god, If I wanted people to follow me I could just announce to everyone in the world that I'm real and do some shit to prove it, Again, all power.
Jesus did that. He came to Earth and performed miracles and rose from the dead. He will come back and then gameover collect your prize.
@AmonMaritza @RodrickSage @shortstories @KingOfWhiteAmerica Thing is that would have been in a very small area, if I’m omnipotent and omniscient I can make myself known to all with ease.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @AmonMaritza @RodrickSage @shortstories In the Traditional understanding, He will. But that specifically demarcates the Very End of the Cosmos as we know it.
@Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @AmonMaritza @RodrickSage @shortstories Point being, Eschatology is very much a part of The Faith - and it’s for very good reason He has *not* yet done as you’ve described.
are there still five good men in Sodom?
@AmonMaritza @RodrickSage @shortstories @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired I’ve spent more or less my entire conscious life seeking Truth. And while history is jam-packed with unfathomably brilliant men and civilizations, none of them even hold a candle to the coherence and perfection of the Holy Deposit.
I agree. This also means we must strive to adhere to scripture to in our actions. This means just war. If that leads to martyrdom, so be it. If you gain the world and lose your soul, what does it profit you?
@AmonMaritza @RodrickSage @shortstories @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Can he do that again now? If he wants to know me himself, then why must his message be carried by men?
@latein @AmonMaritza @RodrickSage @shortstories @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired What you say is true, it *must* be carried by men.
> Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
~ Luke 16:27-31 KJV
But you’re asking why it must be so, correct ?
> Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
~ Luke 16:27-31 KJV
But you’re asking why it must be so, correct ?
Jesus’s home town rejected him.
@AmonMaritza @latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired If one has no idea what Our Lord is doing, one definitely won’t understand why He does things the way He does.
Studying scripture is important. patiently answering questions about it is too.
@AmonMaritza @latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired When I was young, I figured Christianity was primarily concerned with answering questions like “how do I go to Heaven after I die?“ and “is Grandma in Heaven?” and that sort of thing. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
But a common theme I see is that childlike wonder often stops there. And millions grow up thinking that’s really all there is to it. So the idea sets in that The Faith is fairy-tales adults tell themselves to comfort themselves about the hard questions in life.
And they hold on to this “kindergarten view” of Christians and Christianity. It’s not that those questions aren’t important, or have no answer or whatnot.
But the Almighty God is utterly Limitless. Without the same sort of wonder about Him we had as kids, we’re not even going to begin to realize how this Faith conquered the Old Roman Empire, and built a new one that lasted eleven-hundred more years - and truly continues to this day in the minds and hearts of billions.
But a common theme I see is that childlike wonder often stops there. And millions grow up thinking that’s really all there is to it. So the idea sets in that The Faith is fairy-tales adults tell themselves to comfort themselves about the hard questions in life.
And they hold on to this “kindergarten view” of Christians and Christianity. It’s not that those questions aren’t important, or have no answer or whatnot.
But the Almighty God is utterly Limitless. Without the same sort of wonder about Him we had as kids, we’re not even going to begin to realize how this Faith conquered the Old Roman Empire, and built a new one that lasted eleven-hundred more years - and truly continues to this day in the minds and hearts of billions.
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
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There's other convenient tales in that book where illogical nonsense is boldly proclaimed with no justification, e.g.
John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."
so fools are blessed? no wonder MLMs go havoc on churches
Even before I was a Baptist I disregarded the Catholic church for having middle-men between a supposed omnipotent god and man. Although now I extend that to just any information about the god itself, if the god's message is indistinguishable from fables then that's a half-assed job.
There's other convenient tales in that book where illogical nonsense is boldly proclaimed with no justification, e.g.
John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."
so fools are blessed? no wonder MLMs go havoc on churches
Even before I was a Baptist I disregarded the Catholic church for having middle-men between a supposed omnipotent god and man. Although now I extend that to just any information about the god itself, if the god's message is indistinguishable from fables then that's a half-assed job.
@latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired I commented about this very thing before I read your comment. You’ve already explained it all to yourself, and it’s just illogical nonsensical wish-fulfilling grown-up fairy-tales that serious people shouldn’t bother with.
@latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired By all means, please feel free to continue telling yourself that until the mounting evidence to the contrary eventually upsets your apple-cart. Will it ever ? How should I know ?
It did for me, eventually, in spite of myself. But I’m not your dad or your priest or whatever. I’m an anonymous online rando, easily dismissed.
It did for me, eventually, in spite of myself. But I’m not your dad or your priest or whatever. I’m an anonymous online rando, easily dismissed.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired No, you didn't.
When then to you is the Book of Mormon, the Quran or The Odyssey?
Probably just like Harry Potter or the Bible is to me. As the saying goes with the monotheist and his 9999 gods but one, I go one book further.
inb4 muh received tradition: Jude thought Enoch was scripture.
When then to you is the Book of Mormon, the Quran or The Odyssey?
Probably just like Harry Potter or the Bible is to me. As the saying goes with the monotheist and his 9999 gods but one, I go one book further.
inb4 muh received tradition: Jude thought Enoch was scripture.
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@latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired I don’t understand what you’re after, here; what makes you think Jude thought Enoch was Scripture ? Because he referred to it ?
St. Paul referred to Epimenides; did he write Scripture, too ?
St. Paul referred to Epimenides; did he write Scripture, too ?
@latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Sincere question; is every literary reference made by an Apostle an endorsement as Scripture ?
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He didn't merely quote 1 Enoch, he attributed it to THAT Enoch.
Jude 1:14 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,"
He didn't merely quote 1 Enoch, he attributed it to THAT Enoch.
Jude 1:14 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,"
@latein @KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza My esoterica knowledge is failing me, which is that?
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The Enoch of Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 supposedly wrote a book about the pre-flood world which had angels rebelling against God and breeding with men, as well as giants over a kilometre tall.
(it's dated to the ~2nd century BCE)
The Enoch of Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 supposedly wrote a book about the pre-flood world which had angels rebelling against God and breeding with men, as well as giants over a kilometre tall.
(it's dated to the ~2nd century BCE)
@latein @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza I don’t know what that’s supposed to prove; no-one in the ancient Church disputed the historical value of the Book of Enoch; but the only Church that considered it Holy Scripture was Ethiopia. Are you an Ethiopian Tewahedo or something ?
@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Jude is considered to be scripture. Jude quotes 1 Enoch and thinks it's authorship claim is genuine.
Yet 1 Enoch is not considered to be scripture. So either a disciple of Jesus missed out on this supposed tradition, or this tradition has changed, but in neither case is it a source of truth.
Yet 1 Enoch is not considered to be scripture. So either a disciple of Jesus missed out on this supposed tradition, or this tradition has changed, but in neither case is it a source of truth.
@latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired I think you’re overly belaboring the point; Enoch was widely known and recognized and accepted in the ancient world as a sincere attempt at history; a quote from it does not equal an endorsement as Scripture.
St. Paul asserted the identity of the Unknown God as the God of the Christians. Yet no-one in any Church I know insists Epimenides wrote Holy Scripture. One could make the same argument as you are making for it.
St. Paul asserted the identity of the Unknown God as the God of the Christians. Yet no-one in any Church I know insists Epimenides wrote Holy Scripture. One could make the same argument as you are making for it.
@KingOfWhiteAmerica @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired "the seventh from Adam"
what does this mean?
what does this mean?
@latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @AmonMaritza @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Seventh from Adam ? I’ve not really looked into it but my gut tells me it’s the seventh generation from Adam. I could be mistaken - it’s not something that comes up very often.
Maybe it’s Adam’s seventh child ? That seems a big stretch because I don’t know of anyone in Church history arguing we know the names of any of Adam’s direct offspring other than Cain, Abel and Seth. So I’d doubt it unless Saint Somebody made the case.
Maybe it’s Adam’s seventh child ? That seems a big stretch because I don’t know of anyone in Church history arguing we know the names of any of Adam’s direct offspring other than Cain, Abel and Seth. So I’d doubt it unless Saint Somebody made the case.
>you believed because you saw. blessed are those who believe and have not seen.
@AmonMaritza @latein @RodrickSage @shortstories @KingOfWhiteAmerica @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Thomas asked to see. And Christ indulged him.
yeah, me too.
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It might be that whatever god or gods that might exist might want humans to voluntarily choose to treat other humans kindly even if they do not know for sure that that god exists
I am not saying that god wants humans to believe that god exists without evidence
But maybe that god wants humans to treat each other kindly without certain evidence for god's existence
this is just something to think about
I am not claiming it is true
@shortstories @RodrickSage @Witch_Hunter_Siegfired Yep; I came to this conclusion pretty quickly after playing The Sims, back in the day.
My gf’s playstyle was absolutely dictatorial - in her mind, her goal was for her Sims to make a bunch of money so she could keep building a bigger and better house.
But I noticed my own play style was much more coordinated around “suggesting” things to them, so they could make their own wise decisions.
This was eye-opening when I realized it.
My gf’s playstyle was absolutely dictatorial - in her mind, her goal was for her Sims to make a bunch of money so she could keep building a bigger and better house.
But I noticed my own play style was much more coordinated around “suggesting” things to them, so they could make their own wise decisions.
This was eye-opening when I realized it.
