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What is sometimes called Evidence based medicine is not necessarily the same as medicine based on scientific principles or scientific models
Evidence based medicine can go contrary to your personal observations and sometimes follows what Robert Jay Lifton called
Doctrine Over Person
In his book on Totalitarianism
A scientific model may have been tested for multiple generations than predictions maybe made as to the effects of a treatment based on the model
But the latest peer review...
@Humpleupagus @shortstories WTF
"problem with scientific model is that it no longer looks for difference" NO, not at all., It seeks the truth through proposed theory, AND THEN TESTS IT AS IF IT WAS WRONG TO DISPROVE IT. There is NOTHING wrong with that. The ONLY problem is politics, power, church, state, USE that model, and SILENCE decent if it doesn't work for them. You are describing "scientific publications" and I strongly suggest you look at who owns them. I spent until I was 30 years old "studying in universities" in the 90s.. I know how "scientists" (in academics) "tune there research to get funding, and don't bring up conflicting evidence" because of funding risks. The problem is, SCIENCE and scientists can NOT survive cancel culture and present facts.
Point in fact.... Kary Mullis.
"Science" was compromised decades ago, (global warming), it's only now when people see culture, media, everything, was compromised the go "science too now" (especially post-Covid). Trust me, they took down the truth in scientific publications DECADES ago... It was one of the first steps (Aaron Swartz knew that, and died for it)
"problem with scientific model is that it no longer looks for difference" NO, not at all., It seeks the truth through proposed theory, AND THEN TESTS IT AS IF IT WAS WRONG TO DISPROVE IT. There is NOTHING wrong with that. The ONLY problem is politics, power, church, state, USE that model, and SILENCE decent if it doesn't work for them. You are describing "scientific publications" and I strongly suggest you look at who owns them. I spent until I was 30 years old "studying in universities" in the 90s.. I know how "scientists" (in academics) "tune there research to get funding, and don't bring up conflicting evidence" because of funding risks. The problem is, SCIENCE and scientists can NOT survive cancel culture and present facts.
Point in fact.... Kary Mullis.
"Science" was compromised decades ago, (global warming), it's only now when people see culture, media, everything, was compromised the go "science too now" (especially post-Covid). Trust me, they took down the truth in scientific publications DECADES ago... It was one of the first steps (Aaron Swartz knew that, and died for it)
A significance test doesn't do what you describe. It ignores outliers. Thanks for playing.
What???
No, significance tests do not ignore outliers.
Outliers have wildly disproporionate influence on significance tests. That's why they're scrutinised so much during data cleaning.
And yes, bias at the data cleaning stage greatly influences whether the null hypothesis is rejected or not.
This isn't just a problem for science, all statistical processes are vulnerable to it.
No, significance tests do not ignore outliers.
Outliers have wildly disproporionate influence on significance tests. That's why they're scrutinised so much during data cleaning.
And yes, bias at the data cleaning stage greatly influences whether the null hypothesis is rejected or not.
This isn't just a problem for science, all statistical processes are vulnerable to it.
There are certain truths about how the body responds to exercise that coaches knew for multiple generations many good undergraduate level exercise physiology textbooks or professors confirm these same truths
But then what happens is someone ignores all that and goes for the latest peer review article and claims something contradictory to decades of research by both coaches and academic exercise science and calls it evidence based
Today's article contradicts yesterday's
@Humpleupagus @shortstories I do not know the background or OP's point. But the problem is, anyone that believes seeking truth matters, is discouraged and trampled on publicly. Science is science, what you are describing is corruption of PUBLISHED science (agree, it's fucked, totally, not true often). But fuck if I'm going to say "I don't trust science." I do, which is why anyone that says "trust the science" is INSANE. Science is to ADMIT you don't know what you think you already proved, because you could be wrong. "Authority" position, is not science. "Peer review" is corrupt as fuck (more each year) becoming acceptance and politically approval seeking for funding, and that goes back to ... ? John D. Rockefeller shit "let's make food and drugs out of oil and feed this poison to people." Honestly, goes back farther. But that is NOT science, that's voodoo politics and witchcraft with the power of media to convince people "science will help you."
No. Modern science merely postulates a disease and then tests a substance or treatment. If the treatment doesn't work, the disease is still presumed real. That's anti-scientific. Maybe we have the disease wrong.
@Humpleupagus @Coyote @shortstories Couldn't agree more
@Humpleupagus @shortstories
"Modern science"
Definition of terms. "Modern Science" is not science. You have to go back to the 1800's and see what "science" is.
So, maybe I do agree, our terms don't? I will go this far.. "modern science is NOT real science" which is DEFINED BY the SCIENTIFC METHOD.
Propose theory, test ALL ways it can;t be.. of you don't have real proof.
My definition of science is:
Sir Francis Bacon in his 1620 work Novum Organum, which emphasized inductive reasoning.
Yours is scientific publications and news reports of "modern science."
I agree, they are NOT the same thing.
"Modern science"
Definition of terms. "Modern Science" is not science. You have to go back to the 1800's and see what "science" is.
So, maybe I do agree, our terms don't? I will go this far.. "modern science is NOT real science" which is DEFINED BY the SCIENTIFC METHOD.
Propose theory, test ALL ways it can;t be.. of you don't have real proof.
My definition of science is:
Sir Francis Bacon in his 1620 work Novum Organum, which emphasized inductive reasoning.
Yours is scientific publications and news reports of "modern science."
I agree, they are NOT the same thing.
I would suggest that error analysis and statistical significance testing are not always the same thing
I do not have a problem with error analysis
But I think that in science people focused on models based on Algebra, Triginonetry and Calculus
In the newso called evidence based approach they started neglecting Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus in their model and actually had no model to make predictions at all
They just tested for statistical significance
@shortstories @Humpleupagus
To not consider evidence, isn't science. You are saying, to paraphrase "search of truth" says science lies? NO. That is not even close to what it is. Fuck it, I have a PhD in Chem, and you are telling me I don't know the difference between the bullshit lies the PUBLICATIONS are corrupt, and pretend to extend that to the idea of "science" misleading from truth?
Seriously, you have confused the issue of "science" with the gatekeeprs of the truth that have been OVERTLY been corrupting "science" for about 100 years through this bullshit lying system about what science is. If you want to through out the ONLY reasonable chase of truth, to distrust yourself and test your own theories, the ones that control the narrative have already rotted your brain. SCIENCE is the permute of truth, and to think it's "what's published" that you haven't tested yourself and found to be true is "science..." yea, that's BULLSHIT, that's not science.
The TERM is important. do NOT let ANYONE tell you a publication that they have "proven" anything, and anyone that says "The Science Proves" is a real scientist. This is there ULTIMATE game, make you doubt what is REAL and trust the narrative.
It's not science that's wrong, it's what stories you are told and believe that are the lies. Science has NOTHING to do with "what get's published and reported." That's money, politics, not science. What if they tell you "the sky is really green, you don't see it" (trust me, that's probably published somewhere, misleading for 1900's clickbate). MEDIA is corrupt, not science. MEDIA coverage of science was the first thing they corrupted. LOOK AT WHO OWNS THE JOURNALS and what "published" and "peer reviewed" mean now, vs even 30-40 years ago. That's MEDIA corruption by ownership of publication, deception,... on and on. CLEAR. But "science" under attack is to say "true isn't true anymore,"
Question, if "science" (provide fact, evidence, test it) isn't true, how is anything YOU say true? Attacking the language like that is a HUGE issue of mind control. NEVER stop questioning "is this really true." Anyone that says not to, is NOT a scientist.
To not consider evidence, isn't science. You are saying, to paraphrase "search of truth" says science lies? NO. That is not even close to what it is. Fuck it, I have a PhD in Chem, and you are telling me I don't know the difference between the bullshit lies the PUBLICATIONS are corrupt, and pretend to extend that to the idea of "science" misleading from truth?
Seriously, you have confused the issue of "science" with the gatekeeprs of the truth that have been OVERTLY been corrupting "science" for about 100 years through this bullshit lying system about what science is. If you want to through out the ONLY reasonable chase of truth, to distrust yourself and test your own theories, the ones that control the narrative have already rotted your brain. SCIENCE is the permute of truth, and to think it's "what's published" that you haven't tested yourself and found to be true is "science..." yea, that's BULLSHIT, that's not science.
The TERM is important. do NOT let ANYONE tell you a publication that they have "proven" anything, and anyone that says "The Science Proves" is a real scientist. This is there ULTIMATE game, make you doubt what is REAL and trust the narrative.
It's not science that's wrong, it's what stories you are told and believe that are the lies. Science has NOTHING to do with "what get's published and reported." That's money, politics, not science. What if they tell you "the sky is really green, you don't see it" (trust me, that's probably published somewhere, misleading for 1900's clickbate). MEDIA is corrupt, not science. MEDIA coverage of science was the first thing they corrupted. LOOK AT WHO OWNS THE JOURNALS and what "published" and "peer reviewed" mean now, vs even 30-40 years ago. That's MEDIA corruption by ownership of publication, deception,... on and on. CLEAR. But "science" under attack is to say "true isn't true anymore,"
Question, if "science" (provide fact, evidence, test it) isn't true, how is anything YOU say true? Attacking the language like that is a HUGE issue of mind control. NEVER stop questioning "is this really true." Anyone that says not to, is NOT a scientist.
The scientific method use to encourage questioning and skepticism, aiming to identify flaws in hypotheses through observation and experimentation. It involved making conjectures, testing them, and adjusting based on the results to improve understanding….. and now it seems…..’trust the science’.
I hope you have a day filled with light, kindness and hope 💫
I hope you have a day filled with light, kindness and hope 💫
@82fc9a905c3c73d3648ef3ac614afb75eb7a8d48d388ac4148e5977bce688934 @Humpleupagus @shortstories
"The scientific method use to encourage questioning and skepticism" are you insane?
green use to be green...
"and now it seems…..’trust the science’."
but now they say green is red, and I believe the news, so there is no real green.
OMG, do you NOT see how the LANGUAGE and PUBLICATIONS have been used to mindwash you to "there is no real truth?"
Ok, then what is "true" if "testing truth" (definition of science) is "not to be trusted?" Where are you going? What is your "truth" and "fact"?
"I hope you have a day filled with light" But, you just said, there is no science, so . WHAT LIGHT? Which wavelength? How many photons you say aren't real are you wishing upon me with your voodoo magic "light" that isn't science?
"The scientific method use to encourage questioning and skepticism" are you insane?
green use to be green...
"and now it seems…..’trust the science’."
but now they say green is red, and I believe the news, so there is no real green.
OMG, do you NOT see how the LANGUAGE and PUBLICATIONS have been used to mindwash you to "there is no real truth?"
Ok, then what is "true" if "testing truth" (definition of science) is "not to be trusted?" Where are you going? What is your "truth" and "fact"?
"I hope you have a day filled with light" But, you just said, there is no science, so . WHAT LIGHT? Which wavelength? How many photons you say aren't real are you wishing upon me with your voodoo magic "light" that isn't science?
Hey @Coyote , I agree wholeheartedly with you ….. what I meant to say is ….. the media have sold everyone that they must trust the science. I am a critical thinking and don’t believe anything until I have done my own research. I know everything we’ve been told is not true and we all need to go on the journey and unplug from the matrix .
@82fc9a905c3c73d3648ef3ac614afb75eb7a8d48d388ac4148e5977bce688934 @Humpleupagus @shortstories
mr "@82fc9a905c3c73d3648ef3ac614afb75eb7a8d48d388ac4148e5977bce688934" whatever.. what a bunch of self love I'm better than you piety bullshit.
https://shitposter.world/notice/Ai6tUsByWaLHueyEgy
BOOM, THAT. They STOPPED teaching logic and reasoning in schools about 40-50 years ago, and started to tell you opinion, feelings, and popularity matter, and shit like "I wish you love and light" makes you look like you are a "good person.'
MORON. GOOD PEOPLE accept TRUTH, not twist words and try to redefine "science" and "opinion."
Do you also believe "math is hard" .. use a calculator... OMG, the most clear, logical, international language, they have made less, and less important for DECADES until now. ?
Sorry, but this whole fucked up world you people live in, I'm glad i was born before I was brainwashed into this "don't be rude, only minorities can do that, and anything they say is true or it's not fair" bullshit. Do you NOT see they are INTENTIONALLY making you dumber to control you? The food, the IQ scores, the educational system, "just got worse" while everything "science" does (physics, math, computers, tech) just get's better and better? It's just "random" that we are being bombarded with more and more deception daily?
Get the fuck out Mr "@82fc9a905c3c73d3648ef3ac614afb75eb7a8d48d388ac4148e5977bce688934" because, you care clearly a fucking worthless troll..
But hey, be blessrf, let the "light shine" peace and have a pleasant day, I wish you millions of rays of sun so I can prove I'm better than you by being polite? WTF. Idiot.
mr "@82fc9a905c3c73d3648ef3ac614afb75eb7a8d48d388ac4148e5977bce688934" whatever.. what a bunch of self love I'm better than you piety bullshit.
https://shitposter.world/notice/Ai6tUsByWaLHueyEgy
BOOM, THAT. They STOPPED teaching logic and reasoning in schools about 40-50 years ago, and started to tell you opinion, feelings, and popularity matter, and shit like "I wish you love and light" makes you look like you are a "good person.'
MORON. GOOD PEOPLE accept TRUTH, not twist words and try to redefine "science" and "opinion."
Do you also believe "math is hard" .. use a calculator... OMG, the most clear, logical, international language, they have made less, and less important for DECADES until now. ?
Sorry, but this whole fucked up world you people live in, I'm glad i was born before I was brainwashed into this "don't be rude, only minorities can do that, and anything they say is true or it's not fair" bullshit. Do you NOT see they are INTENTIONALLY making you dumber to control you? The food, the IQ scores, the educational system, "just got worse" while everything "science" does (physics, math, computers, tech) just get's better and better? It's just "random" that we are being bombarded with more and more deception daily?
Get the fuck out Mr "@82fc9a905c3c73d3648ef3ac614afb75eb7a8d48d388ac4148e5977bce688934" because, you care clearly a fucking worthless troll..
But hey, be blessrf, let the "light shine" peace and have a pleasant day, I wish you millions of rays of sun so I can prove I'm better than you by being polite? WTF. Idiot.
When medicine first started "outliers" were looked at as being different for some reason, and often as evidence of a different disease. Now the disease is presumed "known" and outliers are just placebo effects