The dance routines are not called chinese self defense forms or chinese military forms or chinese sports fighting forms but chinese martial arts forms

There is a reason for that

They do not actually teach you to fight they teach you to look like you can fight people as a performing art in front of an audience

This is different than two person self defense drills in Korean and Japanese self defense systems

Taekwondo & karate are part self defense system part martial art & part sport fighting

@shortstories I had a BJJ sensei once who taught me how the Karate kata were supposed to be used practically. They're like The Karate Kid (original) -- they are all for specific circumstances, but they never tell you that shit in Local City Family Karate.

But yeah, they are all "solutions" to use a Kung Fu term. (My metaphorical faggotry extends to several martial arts styles).

@RoninGrey

But when you find out the secret meaning of the Karate Kata you just end up with something you could practice in a two person partner drill

So just start with the two person partner drill

Instead of giving a Kata with no explanation of the secret meaning or secret application

It is wasting years of a person's life

@shortstories I agree Karate is a pretty big waste of time for anyone over the age of 10.

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@RoninGrey

If they just did the partner drills that are in karate or taekwondo and no kata I would suggest that would not be a waste of time

Chinese martial arts are generally an even bigger offender of time wasting because they usually do not even have partner drills and focus even more on the Kata but the Kata are called a different word in Chinese and Korean martial arts

The push hands partner drills in Chinese taichi are really good but they usually don't do them & just do the kata

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@shortstories This is how we got to MMA. The first few UFC fights showed what was lacking in most fighting styles. Those early days were fantastic to watch, though. Made for great lunchtime conversations in school.

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