How can you force someone to value their autonomy

Let's say someone lives for going after pleasure in the present moment & avoiding pain in the present moment

In the long run that will undermine their autonomy

For example if someone was trans disabled or trans abled or if they just enjoy cutting themselves

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If someone wants to cut off their own legs

If you do not stop them they undermine their autonomy

But if you stop them you undermine their autonomy

Other example smoking, obesity, etc

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@shortstories You just don't help people . You let them sink to the bottom until they realize what they lost and start fixing their shit .

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@ugly_bastard_reborned

And then all of society pulls you to the bottom with them because you can avoid causing problems for yourself through self discipline but you can not prevent them from causing problems for you through your own self discipline when they lack it

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