@LisbonMuse @kj00 sorry to break it to you but I will be having kids very soon =) for me being a father is what moves me.

@37712 @kj00 But you don't believe in marriage...so how does this work?

@LisbonMuse @kj00
U dont have to be married to have a family, marriage today is more of a financial contract between person A, person B and the gov, completly useless in my view and is only there to enslave men.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00 yes men will fuck anything but will not marry a whore and as the saying goes.

You can make a house wife in to a whore but you cant make a whore in to a house wife.

@37712 @kj00 Men marry who you consider "whores" all the fucking time.

Old men marry sugar babies who slept with numerous men.

Men marry women who have numerous kids with numerous different fathers.

Men marry women who used to work in sex industry or Playboy Bunny. I am sure you would too if any of those women took interest in you, which I mean come on, never gonna happen. I am sure a lot of your hate towards women comes from rejection, and you're probably rejected a lot because you give off incel vibes.

You really have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00 or you can do as I do and not marry but start a family with a good hearter virgin girl

@37712 @kj00 You're a fucking troll. You can't be real hahahahaha

Good luck bro. Have you tried trannies? Those neovaginas are untouched, pure virgin ground if you don't count dilating.

A tranny Tim seems like the perfect "woman" for you. "She" would be just as misogynist as you are.

You can hate real women together. How romantic. A match made in womb envy.

@37712 @kj00 Look bro, if you want honest help. Lose the misogyny. There are a lot of shallow and heartless people in the world from both sexes.

Women are very good at reading people and picking up vibes, some more than others. You're never gonna attract a partner if you think so lowly of women. No woman wants to be with a sexist douchebag, not unless they are rich.

So either start making money or change, because if you talk like this to women, it's no wonder women avoid you.

If you go the money route, you're only gonna attract a certain type of woman, and you can't complain if she takes you to the cleaners.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00 dont need to convince you also dont need to lie to you, wish you best of luck but its not like anyone wants to marry a feminist, sad that it took 3 feminist to derrail this conversation from a real conversation to an attack on me

@37712 @kj00 I don't want to marry a man dear. I am lesbian. Honestly man, I feel bad for you. I have more pity for men like you than the sexist trans community. Why? It's easier for me to shit on men like you. You're the lowest hanging fruit. The tranny community is protected by everyone, their misogyny is celebrated because it "WOKE".

I love punching up. The trans community is bigger threat than you.

The world loves mocking men like you. Media loves hating men like you. Sometime it feels like they want men like you to break down mentally, snap and hurt others, so they can preach about "toxic masculinity".

I understand your feelings boy, more than you think, and I pity you for having them. I used to lurk in incel forums, you know. Mostly because I was trying to understand, and also to mock you (not gonna lie).

I never will understand how so many men, young men got to this mindset.

I wonder what hurt you so badly to think and feel like this? Women go through such horrible abuse and misogyny, and men like you, men with your mindset isolate the type of woman that you would want to be with.

I hope you think this over.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

answer me this, how will feminist have a future if they dont or cant have any kids, the future belongs to those who have kids so how will feminist have a future if they dont have any kids? truth is the future is not feminist and it belongs to ppl like me who are going to have kids.

@37712 @kj00 Pfft, there is billions of women on this planet. The world won't hurt if few women opt out of having kids.

How deluded you are if you think "kids" mean you're gonna leave an impact on this world. If you think a child will make you worthwhile, your future worthwhile, I feel bad for you. I feel bad for your kid. You shouldn't weigh your life's success to just if you had offspring. That's just sad.

You should want to have kids because you love your partner. You love your partner so much that want to raise their child.

Kids are the future. It's true. But that can't be reason you have them. They are not an obligation. They should be a result of love. Most aren't though. The world is full of "happy mistakes" and accessory children.

Which in my opinion why we have so many fucked up people around.

It's gonna pain you to hear this, but most of the feminists here, and on other sites, have kids.

They are radical feminists because they have kids. They want to protect their daughters from misogyny

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

Yes, there are billions of women but we are talking specifically about the feminist women who only exist in western civilization.

so, the question is how will feminist have a future if they dont or cant have any kids? the future belongs to those who have kids so how will feminist have a future if they dont have any kids?

Please understand I am not saying that feminist women dont have have kids, I am saying that on average feminist dont have kids.

@37712 @kj00 Most men rights activists and MGTOW don't have kids either. I don't see your point.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I still disagree. You should lurk on Mumsnet. Lots of mothers are feminists.

There is ton of liberal feminists with kids.

There is ton of conservative feminists with kids.

There is lot of radical feminists as well, who have kids.

The idea that feminists don't have kids is ridiculous.

You are currently just dealing with one who doesn't want them. I am the outliner, the minority of group.

@37712 @kj00 Feminism is broad. There is many different types. Personally I hate liberal feminism. It's not even feminism anymore. Conservative feminism is alright, I suppose. Radical feminists are the ones here. The ones who don't fit into the two mainstream types.

We are the independent ones, the black sheep. Radical feminists, the terfs, are probably the only real feminists left.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

actually most MGTOW men do have kids but they have been dragged through divorce court and their kids taken away from them, it is only recently that the message has been reaching young ppl but they already knew about the message they simply did not have a name for it.

@37712 @kj00 MGTOW got divorced by their wives probably because they were always shitty misogynist men.

They roped in young girls who wised up as they got older, or they used money to buy a wife, and get pissy when she finally did the time and cashed the check.

Look. If you don't want to end up like those fucking losers. Don't follow in their footsteps.

That is best advice I can give to you. A relationship takes two, and you can't blame women for everything

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

so you are just going to blame it on MGTOW men being bad husbands, wow, you have clearly not been paying attention much less heard the stories of these men.

listen in the MGTOW community we have a saying, we dont advertise membership to our community we just watch them come in and join.

this is once again the fallacy that if you get divorced it was because you where a bad husband, yes pls, blame it on the men, dont even look at the fact that divorce court is anti-male

@37712 @kj00 It takes two. I am sure the women had issues too, but if the men act like you, blame women all the time for "collapse of society" lol wat

It's no wonder these women left.

@Aflowernamedyou

all this time you have derailed the conversation so that you dont have to answer the question.

how will the future be feminist if feminist woman on average dont have kids?

and if they dont have kids how will they keep western civilization afloat?

and if they dont keep western civilization alive then how will feminist women keep their rights to be sexually liberated aka be a whore?

@37712 I give up. I think you're a lost cause. I said this numerous of times, over and over again. FEMINISTS HAVE KIDS! Who care if the few don't, them not having kids, BARELY has effect on our society, you moron.

I learned my lesson, you can't make a person think critically. Your male ego makes it impossible for you to look in the mirror.

@Aflowernamedyou

I never denied that feminist dont have kids, I completely agree that some feminist do have kids but the average feminist does not, look up the statics on this, the average feminist does not get married, does not have kids. the replacement rate for the average feminist is even worse than for the modern day women. if we are lucky the average feminist has 1 child at most, if they even have a child at all, is the future not feminist?

@37712 Feminism will always exist because misogyny will never go away. There will never be a feminist future. Too many handmaidens who would happily throw their rights away, to worst men than you.

@Aflowernamedyou

feminism does not exist because of misogyny, I am sure that a feminist like you would say that there is no society, country, or religion in this world that is not misogynistic, yet feminism only exists in western countries.

here is an interesting fact, in Europe they did a study to find out who where the happiest women, would you be surprised that the happiest women where always those who were married and with kids, and who do you think where the unhappiest women?

@Aflowernamedyou

look at the situation from the average men's perspective, the modern day women does not want to settle down and have kids until she is kicked off the cock carousel and she has hit the wall in her 30 to 35 yrs, she is not longer in her prime fertile yrs, now she wants to settle down, get married and maybe have kids, she has had over a mile of cocks run through her by multiple men, and that is the average women that the modern day man gets to choose from to start a family with.

@Aflowernamedyou

how can a man start a family with a modern day woman or feminist today if the best she can offer him is a used up pussy that was given away both freely and generously, might not be fertile anymore, will probably start menopause soon, is no longer in her prime, is now somewhere in her 30's, does not want to cook or clean, maybe already has a kid from another man and wants you to take care of him, what kind of fucked up deal is that

@37712 Don't. Don't be with a woman like that. She wouldn't want you anyway.
No woman would want you if you see her as nothing but a fucking house plant.

And from your description it sounds like you don't want to be with a woman like that anyway.

So stop trying.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

again, on average feminist women, dont get married, dont have kids, so how will they keep western civilization afloat? and if feminism does not keep western civilization alive then western civilization will die and so will feminism, thus proving that feminism is a civilization cancer.

when western civilization falls a new one will take over and it will definitely not support feminism.

@37712 @kj00 You know you're the first ever ( are you an incel? I get more fell down the MGTOW rabbit hole vibes ) _______I was able to a normal conversation with, online at least. Most of the time they call me names. You didn't even take the bait and mock me back. 🤣

That's very odd. I was expecting more. I was a little disappointed cause I wanted a troll fight (lol), but since your seemed open for discussion, I played along.

I peaked through your content. You're not a bad guy. Lurk in our forums more. I bet it will help you. Maybe you'll understand women better.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

none of your personal attacks hurt me because none of them are true, I even tried to share some info with regards to where I am coming from but even then you wanted so bad to believe that I am some form of incel.

you completely fail at answering my question, Yes, there are feminist of all walks of life, but western civilization is collapsing, no kids, average feminist women dont have kids, so how will they keep western civilization alive?

@37712 @kj00 You're not reading are you? I once read that it harder for men to empathize with others. I was hoping you could prove me wrong.

Sir, you are delusional if you think feminists aren't having kids. Once again, lurk on Mumset. Every woman there is a feminist and a mother.

Why are you just blaming women for the fall of society. Maybe you should look in the mirror? Women would rather be childless than be with a man like you.

God your misogyny is getting annoying, but I am gonna try here. I am offering the olive branch, but your ignorance is pissing me off.

The blame lies with both sexes, fool. Lots of shallow women with impossible standards, who only want money and status, and lots of shitty misogynistic men who only want their wives to be objects, slaves, and mommies.

Women don't want to make nests with men they don't trust.

Stop blaming women for all the world's problems. I hate to burst your bubble again, but the reason women are "whores" with STDs is because liberal MEN preach about how empowering mindless sex is. Men tricked other women into preaching this lie to other women is. Men are so stupid that pay women thousands to sell themselves.

The destruction of the "pure" woman you want is because of your own sex.

Seriously all the world's problems usually come back to one sex. Sad you don't see it.

I'm not saying women are perfect, but we sure are NOT the ones fucking up world.

We don't have the power to do such a thing, dumbass

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

once again you refuse to answer my question

western civilization is collapsing, bc no kids, average feminist women dont have kids, how will the future be feminist if feminist women dont have kids?

I blame women bc no self respecting man should ever be expected to wife up a whore. the average modern day women has been fucked around by so many men, they call it sexual liberation. you can make a house wife in to a whore but you cant make a whore in to a house wife.

@37712 @kj00 You're still blaming women?! Come on you can't be this dense?
It's take two to make a child you dumbfuck.


Perhaps men should look in the mirror to why women don't want have kids anymore?

Critical thinking! Come on damnit! I know you have it in you!


I take back my friend comment. I don't like stupid people.🤣

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

actually studies have been done on why women dont want to have kids anymore and it has nothing to do with men, it is always the same answer, modern day woman dont want to have kids because they would have to change their life style, and become mothers.

dont believe me google it.

@37712 @kj00 Yeah I read those articles.
Did you read why they don't want kids? It usually deals with the economy instability, and lack of decent male partners.

Dude plus their is BILLION women on this planet. Why are you so pissed at the small not even 10% (probably less than that) of women who don't want kids.

@37712 @kj00 You yourself just wrote about corruption in our government, created by MEN.

Don't you think if men had more personal responsibility, we wouldn't be in this mess?

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

men gave women the vote, yes it was a mistake and a lack of personal responsibility, women make the majority of the voting population, it is women who are the king makers of today, not men, look up statistics of how men and women vote, they are direct opposites, men vote for smaller government, women vote for bigger government and welfare.

@37712 @kj00 hahahahaha you got to be a fucking troll. There is no way someone is this stupid.

"BuT WAAAAaaaMaaaAN vOtEs NoW!"

What have unleashed on Spinster. I am done trying to debate a vegetable.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

so let me see if I get this straight, you blame voting men for the corruption in government but not women, event though they make the vast majority of voters and also vote for bigger government and welfare, but no it is all mens fault, correct? if only men had been responsible and outvoted women to reduce the size of gov and reduce spending thus reducing gov corruption bc by nature gov is corrupt.

@Aflowernamedyou @kj00

countries have tried everything under the sun from giving them free money every month, to giving them food, a house, tax free for life, free healthcare, free welfare, etc all kids of incentives have been tried to try and push women to have kids, even in the times of economic stability feminist women dont have kids. from what I have seen the average modern day women, aka feminist does not want to have kids until she hits the wall and men stop ringing her phone.

@37712 @Aflowernamedyou @kj00

@stingray @Aflowernamedyou @kj00

if no one can solve the declining birth rate then I guess that western civilization will collapse and be taken over by other civilization, probably one that supports patriarchy like Islam, maybe Islam was right about women too.

@37712 @Aflowernamedyou @kj00 Maybe western civilization had it coming. Maybe it has serious flaws that it either needs to fix or die. Maybe women being able to vote is not one of those problems.

@stingray @Aflowernamedyou @kj00

funny, cuz historically there seems to be a trend that when a civilization gives women rights it tends to go to shit always.

@37712 @Aflowernamedyou @kj00 Sure, the collapse of every fallen civilization is because of pussy, not greed, corruption, invasions by foreign powers, etc. It's those damn women book learnin' that's the problem. You're insane.

@Aflowernamedyou @37712 @kj00 Now is when I wish I had a screenshot of the story out of Cornwall, UK of the guy who kept fucking his neighbour's manure pile....

@Fullycaffeinated @Aflowernamedyou @37712 @kj00 Here you go

@TheWitchBitch @kj00

I dont disagree that many of those whore maker men are riddled with STDs but that has never deterred a modern day woman from fucking them, as I had said before, on the contrary they might even be turned ON and attracted to that man by the fact alone that they have fucked a lot of women. in general women are attracted to the bad boys, the chads, the ones who have fucked a ton of women, the ones who treat them like a piece of meat, and women love that.

@37712 @37712 @kj00 dude you're a fucking clown living in your own idiot world. Take your dick out of your hand and meet real people.

@TheWitchBitch @kj00

does this mean that you know real women who do meet at least some things that men look for in a woman, like not being a whore, not being past her prime when she wants to settle down and make a family. or are you just hopeful that those women exists today but dont really know any. how many of you women here are already past your prime and know that you will never be in a successful relationship.

@37712 @37712 oh my God people look at this fucking retard

@TheWitchBitch @37712 “Past her prime”?!?!?

More bullshit about that dumb ass wall.

I bet this guy is hideous.