If preventing White men from having children is "saving lives", then an abortion clinic is the ultimate life saver.
Men who buy Chinese sex dolls, men who don't have kids, men who think women are the problem, are men who will never fight for their genetic legacy. Their lives and their deaths will be wasted.
"Take women's rights away" is a nonsensical idea. Women have no rights, men have no rights, we're all slaves and women aren't the ones holding this cage together.
MGTOW is a psyop.
@Based_Accelerationist Problem of MGTOW is the essence is from feminism that was made by jews 
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In the end men must find or create community that will put us on correct path and change current society .
Because as MGTOW if you are not off-grid you support jews and without community nothing really matters. That will share values and create future for men, women and children.
@Stahesh Indeed. And in addition to creating communities, there's a system that needs to be destroyed, or else no one will be allowed to opt out of it, once it's in place. And how will men find the will to fight and "do the thing" even if individually, even if it means they'll have to sacrifice everything? By having kids and not walking away.
The lives TFM "saved" are men who could've had children and made a difference. Men need to be burned by the system to burn it in return.
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
It's good in theory, but in reality men are not doing the thing.
They don't even kill their vindictive ex-wives (I truly don't understand why). They keep being slaves to the system and worst case scenario, they shoot themselves.
The kids actually turn them into weak simps because they don't want to disrupt their kids lives. The only dangerous men are the ones who have nothing to lose.
@Zeb @Stahesh Would those men have done something, if they didn't have children? The answer is "no".
In Canada, during covid, truckers were the ones resisting tyranny. They had families, they had a lot to lose. It's not kids that make men weak and less likely to act, quite the contrary.
It's when life is easy, when you have money, sex dolls and video games, that there's no reason to die for the future. Those men have a lot to lose and nothing to fight for.
MGTOW is not the solution.
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
We're talking different spheres here. MGTOW is the solution, the only final solution at an individual level. Any man who is not mgtow in our current society, it's someone we might have to eventually send to face the wall.
It might not theoretically be the solution at societal level, since there isn't civilization without commitment from men. But when society cannot offer them any good deal and punishes them heavily instead for trying to engage, it's what's left.
@Zeb @Stahesh MGTOW is the solution if the problem is pain. It's not a solution to anything else.
If society punishes you for engaging and so you stop engaging, then the enemy wins. MGTOW is not all that's left, you can fight the system, but that requires you to engage with it. And as you said, only those with nothing to lose, will be willing to act.
Who is the guy with nothing to lose? The one living happily by himself, disengaged from reality? Or the one being dragged through family court?
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
I remember one of the last streams devon stack did that touches on that topic.
He goes through how political solution and working from inside the system would go. it's worth the watch.
Mgtow is the solution according to human nature. The only to destroy a system is to stop supporting it and let it collapse under its own weight. Every new system/community and even country starts small and grows when it works well and efficiently.
https://odysee.com/@Blackpilled:b/INSOMNIA-STREAM--POLITICAL-SOLUTION-EDITION:7
@Zeb @Stahesh By "engage" I don't mean work from within the system. You know I would never say that.
My point is, if you give up raising a family so you can avoid the system and its traps, then you lose. You have to face the system's traps head on, engage with it as necessary, so you can do what your biology asks you to do and IF you get screwed, then "do the thing".
Those who disengage and choose sex dolls over their genetic legacy will NEVER do the thing. That is the truth.
@Zeb @Stahesh You're not going to collapse the system. The system is already set to collapse and it will happen on their terms, not yours.
White men who don't have kids to "own the system", are only doing the elites a favor.
Your argument also relies on the false notion that you'll be allowed to create a new system once this one collapses. The West's collapse is by design and there's nowhere to run to. This is not the time to think about "rebuilding".
MGTOW is White Genocide, nothing more.
@Based_Accelerationist @Stahesh
Exactly. the system will collapse on its own.
Until then, the logical decision is to be mgtow and do your own thing. Not engage, find something else more productive that aligns with your own goals.
What is the difference if I'm not allowed today and won't be allowed in the future? In both cases, not engaging with other people's systems who don't share my goals still seem the best option. I don't care about dying if it's working on my own objectives, my own life.