Yeah, they did, because these are narratives being presented within the context of things the narrators could not have witnessed.

Yeah I don’t know what to tell you. Shepherds and peasants and fishermen don’t really have a lot of ability to steer the sorts of narratives that rulers pay to have written down

That would presuppose the lack of a pre-existing oral tradition, which given that the apostles are mostly working-class illiterates, would dismantle the concept of apostolic tradition. I'll trust that's not what you meant to do, because that would be blasphemy to Orthodoxy.

Pretty sure we’re talking past each other; I’m referring to OT Messianic Prophecy

Which came from a bunch of Kabbalah Jews - which 'word for word' come out of the Torah.

So you might want to get interested in how they decided what was in the Torah, and what they mean by "God"

Kabbalah is younger than islam, but close.

No, it's been around for a longass time.

It got moved across most of asia for thousands of years.

That anthropologist guy was constantly going on about it appearing in pre-history.

No. One jew who was part of the muslim spanish ruling class "discovered ancient text" as soon as Spanish started kicking out jews with the muslims.

Yeah and the oral traditions were from 4000+ years ago according to the Jews.

The Hindu religion alone is 5000 years old dude. They simply have different names for the same thing.

I believe that there are ancient shared memories across all civilizations. I just don't think that means what you do. And Kabballah was invented, or possibly whispered in an ear in Spain centuries later.

I'm not talking about shared memory.

This system along with the symbols and chakras and sex magic, are all contained in religions from 5000 years onwards.

The Book of Enoch talks at length about how the Angels, who fell out of sheer lust for human women, corrupted mankind via teaching us "forbidden knowledge," a.k.a. magic, which goes a long way towards explaining why that book eventually became so demonized.

Considering that Eve is thrice cursed and thus more evil than Lillith, I can imagine why fallen angels would lust for them.

Imagine it from their (human women) perspective though. Women have always been fascinated by bad boys, and fallen angels are the ultimate bad boys, and they were also wiser and more beautiful than human men. No way that they could have resisted that.

According to the story, God took both Adam and Eve to the Tree "Hey .. you two! C'mere! See this Tree? Don't touch! Mine!" (yes, I gave God a Brooklyn accent). So Eve knew from the start not to touch, but she wanted it anyway and probably more so now that she was told no. So the Serpent (which is Temptation) talks her into it and she bites the apple. Nowhere in that lore does it say she had to take time to digest this, so we can safely assume her gaining that Knowledge of Good and Evil was instantaneous. She knew now WHY God said no. Now we come to the part everyone glosses over: she had a choice. At that moment, knowing what she did, she had a choice. She could have presented herself to God for judgement, apologizing for eating the forbidden fruit, and kept Adam out of it. Instead, she chose to rope the poor guy into it so she doesn't have to be alone. Shared sin is less terrible, to some minds. Three bad choices, three curses, and bait for fallen angels.

Women are fickle, Dagnar. They aren't us.

Just ignore the .38 snub-nose shoved down her buttcrack. That's totally not important.

I've been reading up on American serial killers since my early teens i find that shit fascinating Australia has interesting ones as well

Being in Australia is a little like those sci-fi books of people out on their own in deep space. Where they go a little mad because they are on their own so much staring into the blackness.

We get some crazy motherfuckers here.

Just think how many are cruising around the outback

Dude, absolutely.

There have been quite a few famous ones and they were doing exactly that kind of shit.

Who you guys got? I find them interesting for reasons I won't say.

Check out "Chopper Reed."

He was mostly full of shit

He was fun though.

Chopper was my kind of guy lol

Finn's kind of guy:

https://youtube.com/shorts/_D6SVlHax5U

I went to university in bathurst and took my bad habits there... And I'd been a petty drug dealer in sydney, but suddenly was a big drug dealer in a small town in bathurst.

So my mate wanted an ounce of speed and was willing to drive me back to sydney to pick it up, he had the flu. Big dude, played baseball and shit, and i was like "Sure, let's go"

So I'm ringing my dealer and asking if he had the shit, and he goes "Yeah no problem"

3 hour drive, my mate with the flu. And these two dudes were pretty full on guys, they were not "half measure" kinds of people at all.

So I get in there and the guy goes "I just sold out" - after a 3 hour drive. My mate gets out of the car, grabs his club-lock from the car and starts smashing the guy. Who then pulls out a BAYONET and goes to stab him and fuckwit (Me) steps in front of him before he can kill him and defuses the situation.

That fucking bayonet stopped about 2 inches from my chest.

😮Damn.

Three different times I almost got killed. First was a Mexican with a knife. I decided he was probably not kidding when he said "I'm going to keel you Gringo" while whipping out a switch blade and coming straight at me.

Anyhow, my point was I could understand Chopper, because he grew up in prison and dealing with the Leb gangs.

In his later years maybe but in the 70's 80' mainly wogs you know greeks yugoslavians talians you get the picture

I didn't mind the Italians and Greeks so much although they could also be kinda fuckwits.

It was all the constant betrayals that I disliked.

I grew up with with them my best m8 too this day is from greek heritage the cunt has a thicker Aussie accent than me

Boomer moment: it's still so weird seeing asians with aussie accents now lol

Tell me about it 😂 I've meet the most purple sudanese nigger with a Australian accent get your head around that shit

Knew a Mexican with a thick Southern accent. If you talked to him over the phone you'd have never realized.

Also knew a Thai guy born in Australia. Wonder if he had the accent?

Not @Twoinchdestroya I think he's a gook not a lady boy.