I was thinking about the conversation on the MC about how do you start a community, and you need something other than ideology that binds people. You need a common culture, a religion or particular practice, and a philosophy that can bind people.
Is this a perfect solution? No. You could join one of the existing patriarchal communities, but you must live by their slavish morality.
If you won't join a herd and you can't make existing families patriarchal, then you have to act on the only effective solution available, which is to make a community without females.
Your use of the word "slavish" here is 100% subjective. The problem you have is that there are too many people who disagree, partially or wholly, as well as those who only agree until they are convinced by something better, i.e. internet smackdown debates of 1v1 worldviews.
This is currently going on with redpill vs tradcon vs christpill vs islam vs progressive etc..
By today's standards, unless you can win over men in enough numbers through debate, no-one is going to follow.
The other problem is that your community will not only be viewed as "slavish" by outsiders now, but definitely by your community's next generation of kids later on.
It's crazy difficult to start an intentional community, but almost impossible to keep it going longer than 3 generations.
Whatever beliefs bind them, men have to believe in it under extreme conditions:
1. bad times, where wife/kids lives are under threat
2. good times, when abundance leads to corruption
Religion is not stupid, slavish or "herd mentality". Historically, atheism is a very young and arrogant worldview that has never held cultural power like this before anywhere and is currently failing hard everywhere.
Religion is 100% necessary for large groups of people to co-exist and thrive across generations.
If you don't understand that then go through history. It is littered with endless cycles of corrupted versions of religion emerging and failing, over and over.
Atheism is definitely a religion and it's hilarious that everyone except atheists see this.
As for your values - "personal enlightenment, life, freedom and creativity .. constantly improvement" - those will barely get you through the good times. They damn sure won't get you through the bad.
As TFM says, the eternal "We'll see" has been invoked. We're about to hit the mother of all bull markets for bad times.
@UncleIroh @DoubleD
Not only have these values basically transformed europe and completely changed the last centuries, it literally turned an ugly rainy island into the largest and richest empire to ever exist.
It's sad we've thrown it away for over 100 years so we have any point of reference in the present.
Yes, we'll see what happens now that war is coming. I think there will be freedom in many places during the chaotic times.
I agree that there will be pockets of freedom in many places.
Here's what else we're going to see - people forced by necessity to become deadly serious about values, meaning and purpose.
I predict that through that effort, people will discard fairweather ideologies. Everyone will undergo their own reinvent-the-wheel process.
Some will finally understand why true things persist, other won't. Billions must learn.
@UncleIroh @Zeb I agree there too. My original point was that if you want to start an intentional community in the current environment it must begin without females.
@UncleIroh Religion is not stupid or slavish, I agree, and a sacred practice is absolutely necessary, but one need not be a member of the existing religions.
@UncleIroh @DoubleD
Atheism is a religion on itself. Using the fact you don't believe in god as your defining identity trait and mold your society around it is the same delusion as all other theistic religions.
All conflicts end up being cultural and holy wars...like the line fallout says, war never changes.
On that note the most important is to have a culture/religion/societal norm that preaches personal enlightenment, life, freedom and creativity, so humans can constantly improve themselves.