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@7073M @Dan_Ramos ?

@Charles_in_Charge @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @James_Dixon @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

chance, that I will be persuaded to accept anything besides physicalism, and believe me, 100s if not 1000s of people have tried, so I no longer see any new arguments (and not in this thread either, it is just the same boring flawed arguments).

@Charles_in_Charge @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @James_Dixon @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

I very much like your kindness and empathy, so if, and only if, you are interested, I will share my private email with you (if so, send me a private message), and I will explain my position in depth. Mastodon is a horrible medium for this. I would be interested inr your view of the world, but there is close to zero

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violence to ones rational self. As a species, and homo sapiens, we should know beter by know. Many do know better, but many don't and I will continue to educate them.

When it comes to ethics and morals, that is handled absolutely fine by philosophy. But this question was about the world and what exists in it.

@Charles_in_Charge @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @James_Dixon @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

"I never experienced things like it again." I think this is key here. As for religion, it has value as a psychological comfort blanket. But it has nothing to do with world.

All evidence we have has taught us that there is nothing supernatural, no gods, no demons, so insisting on these things is literally doing

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @Charles_in_Charge @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

Yep, and in science we do not bother about that, and it has no bearing on what we are discussing.

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

Incorrect... this is your way to retreat with dignity. I am actually trying to teach you something and make you stop believing in ghosts.

Keep the ad hominems coming boy! ;)

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

things in the world is just childish nitpicking for the purpose of this conversation, and I will disregard it.

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Ahh... send the ad hominems, excellent way to know I'm winning!

As for metaphysics, go and read a little Wittgenstein and then you can come back.

Nope... we're talking models, predictions, and verifications.

That we can see and observe

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This statement lacks value, and is also obviously not true, based on my experience. Pew research 46% of phycisists and astronomers are atheists, 43% religious. And scientists are far less religious than the common people.

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

Since we are material beings and science is the way we describe the world and its phenomena, there is no limitation there, since the material world is all that exist.

Evidence to the contrary has not been presented, so again, I win.

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

Incorrect. You sir, are the one who believes scientific evidence is equivalent to evidence in court. Let me assure you, it is not.

Also you have misunderstood the thread completely. The claim was that demons and other such entities exist. Empirical evidence was asked for, and not given, so the scientific side won the argument.

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

Thank you for admitting I'm right. 😎

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @Charles_in_Charge @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

And there we have a little argumentum ad verecundiam. This can be dismissed.

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @Charles_in_Charge @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

We can always pray! 😎 In fact, looking at organized religion, it's shrunk from about 99% being religious 500 years ago, to 75% or so today.

Removing people who just go through the motions, the figure is probably less.

@James_Dixon @shortstories @Sovereign @zeke @Charles_in_Charge @GoonPatrol @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @KingOfWhiteAmerica @multiversal_gangstalker @thatfightnerd @thefinn

You make hte positive claim so the burden of proof rests on you.

You have not presented any empirical evidence, therefore what you claim does not exist as far as I am concerned.

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Incorrect. At some point, complete agnosticism becomes ridiculous which Russells teapot shows us. If there is no empirical evidence, for 1000s of years, from 8 billion people, it does not exist.

if you show me repeatable empirical evidence, that can be tested in a laboratory, I will change my mind.

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There is no empirical evidence for god, so please do not use this concept unless you can also show me empirical evidence of it.

Note that if you can, it is actually not god as defined by most mainstream religions. So you, my man, are trapped! ;)

@silas The master race has spoken, who are we to question them?

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have a meaningful conversation about this.

The fact remains, no one in this thread has offered any shred of empirical evidence, and absent that, there's really not much more to say.

If you deny empirical evidence and science, we cannot make any progress.