@Disputatore @sam @kibcol1049 They do represent some cost, I assume they are not paddling to the UK? Surely they have motors.
And as I said... repeated sinking and shipment to rwanda creates disincentives for both smugglers and immigrants. Naturally, if a smuggler is identified, he will go to jail in rwanda.
Add to that the termination of foreign aid, and potentially exit taxes, and the country of origin will also be affected economically to clean up their own mess.
@sam @Disputatore @kibcol1049 Won't work. They will just come back. Also, I have not argued to kill them. The idea is to sink the boat, therefore causing economic harm to smugglers. The immigrants are then picked up, and sent to an exit-processing center in rwanda. This causes loss of time for the immigrants, which makes them think again before trying.
@mkoek @TimWardCam @kibcol1049 In sweden it led increased rape and crime, and also that demographically, swedes will be a minority in their own country in 2 generations or so. It is sad that swedish politicians has led this to happen, and this can potentially lead to national socialist scenarios in the future.
@mkoek @TimWardCam @kibcol1049 This is the truth! I missed the question mark. Countries can stop them in EU, but it depends on the country and the interpretation. Speaking from a swedish perspective, politicians are so afraid of losing well paid, and untaxed money from EU jobs that they do not dare to stop immigrants. They claim that they must take them in while they evaluate their refugee status (nonsense) and I suspect that this is exactly what the UK government has been doing.
Jordanian Patriot units engage Iranian combined strike
Footage shows air defense crews of the Jordanian Armed Forces repelling an attack on Al-Muwaffaq al-Salti Air Base. Reports indicate Iran again targeted this base. Jordanian forces expended their missile stockpile without restraint during the interception.
@elston_ When will the arabians gang together and finish off the iranian crazy people once and for all?
If they did, I think the iranian people, who are suffering daily, will thank them for it. In fact, the world will thank them for it.
Probably the only one who won't is Trump who will claim their victory for himself.
@mkoek @TimWardCam @kibcol1049 nothing will happen. Hungary did this successfully for years.
So you are wrong here.
@mkoek @TimWardCam @kibcol1049 Actually, that is completely incorrect on multiple levels.
You might have travelled within the EU and had to show a passport? No? Maybe you are not a frequent flyer to eastern and southern europe.
The law also gives countries the right to impose passport controls and to reject people wihout ID:s during special situations as decided by the countries themselves.
Last, but definitely not least, countries can completely disregard any EU laws about borders, and
@kibcol1049 So it seems like it is only you and me again. Regardless of if you agree with me or not, I find you a "great democratic man" for at least reading them. It seems to me that my "opponents" are too quick with the block button. This is not how democracy and an enlightened discussion of political ideas should be run. =/
Are we too thin skinned? Can we no longer read or be exposed to a contrary opinion without reaching for the block button?
@kibcol1049 @TimWardCam Blaming brexit for this is nonsense. This is a trend that UK politicians have known about, yet have done nothing about. I consider it an example of a lack of political leadership, rather than an effect of brexit, since the trend started before brexit, and grew up to ,and past brexit.
@TimWardCam @kibcol1049 Small boat crossings started in 2018, and has grown since then. This is a trend that is unrelated to brexit.
If you have a nation, protecting your borders is just part of the package, and that you need to do as an island nation regardless of if the EU exists or not.
Also note that before the boat crossings, the preferred means was trucks, ferries and the Channel Tunnel.
@TimWardCam @kibcol1049 This is incorrect. Immigrants from 3:rd world countries are a huge net loss. This has been proven many times, and most recently a government authority in sweden came to this conclusion. Immigration from western countries can benefit the economy.
Keep in mind that this includes crime, rape, killings, added pressure on police, as well as moslems taking over parts of society.
The EU is a socialist dictature, but in time, it will crash like all socialist dictatures.
@TimWardCam @kibcol1049 Because then all of them came through the EU and it was legally impossible to stop them. For instance, for a time it was common practice for denmark to ship immigrants onward to sweden. I'm sure this happened with the UK as well. Why would people go with boats all the way to the UK, when they can land in spain, and then continue by land? Much easier!
@Disputatore @kibcol1049 I'm sorry to hear that. If I would live in your city, I would invite your for a beer and use highly sophisticated arguments to try to make you see my side. Sadly this is not possible.
@Disputatore @kibcol1049 Have we achieved a spiritual and harmonius meeting of the minds? =)
Wil you join me in our fight for freedom, to leave a better country for our children to inherit? =)
@Disputatore @kibcol1049 Again, I have not said anything about forbidding. What you do at home, go for it as long as you harm no one else.
Yes... in public, let us forbid al religion, if that enables us to get rid of islam, the most revile and revolting extremist ideology of today.
In fact, it could be argued that islam is not a religion, but an ideology, so we could logically ban islamd while keeping more sane forms of insanity. So that would of course be another option.
@Disputatore @kibcol1049 If you do it in private, I have no quarrel with your penis.
The same logic applies. If you try to impose your penis on society, then you should be sent home.
@Disputatore @kibcol1049 . I feel that you make the most uncharitable interpretations you can of my statements.
If a jew or a moslem, worhsips in his home, I have no quarrel with it.
If he wants to impose religious laws on my society, I send him home to his moslem society because he will obviously be happier there.
Likewise, we are free to put our penis in any type of hole, but that does not mean that I want to see your penis in public.
@Disputatore @kibcol1049 No, I mean the freedom to live your life and not bowing down to fantasies. In rational societies, we call people who believe in unicorns, fantasy friends etc. insane, once they are no longer children. Just by changing the pink unicorn to an undefined "god" we all of a sudden deem them sane. This is very dangerous to society.
When it comes to religious freedom, everyone in europe is perfectly free to worship in the privacy of his own home. I have not argued against this