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I can also expect that many people living in their own countries with ancestors living there for generations might take the deal of renouncing their citizenship as well. This is because many people (rightly) do not have a sense of patriotism for a country that no longer reflects their values and principles. Many countries are now more or less economic zones with an ever increasing list of laws that make life worse and are contradictory to their own values.

America, I am looking at you here.

I am willing to bet the vast majority of 1st, 2nd, and likely even 3rd generation immigrants would not qualify as patriots under this standard. And I say fair enough, I don't blame them.

But it should make everyone think about who is coming to their countries to live there and whether or not they are coming for the proper reasons. Having a higher standard of living for yourself is not enough of a reason to justify immigration from many countries.

I have a patriotism test that can apply for all countries:

The test: If an enemy power declared war on the country you reside in, but stated that they would spare anyone who renounces/denies citizenship of that country, would you stand and fight, or would you forfeit your right to citizenship?

For this test, you have a 1/4 chance of dying and a 1/2 chance that your country will lose the war regardless of your efforts. Do you love the country you live in enough?

I am giving many of the Democrat voters the benefit of the doubt that like many Republican voters they are simply voting for the least worst option. But this recent turn of events should make it obvious that the Democrat party should not be trusted.

I know I cannot trust the Republican party, but I vote for them more often as the less worse option. I am usually content if they just stay out of my way. That happens in most cases, so I am not disappointed most often.

For those who are "vote blue no matter who," I have to wonder what they think of the Democrat party these days. Surely they cannot be happy that they kept Joe Biden on the ticket in spite of the fact that they had 4 years to get an alternative.

It shows that the party is incompetent or is underhanded. That is, the latter can only be true if their plan was to demonstrate that they need a Biden replacement pronto.

Though I know many Dem voters hold their nose to vote just like many GOP voters.

I already know the debate went badly for Biden without having to watch it, because the betting market for him winning just dropped a whole lot.

Not that the betting market matters if they plan on stealing the election, but I have to wonder if they will be bold enough to try it now.

Not planning on watching the debate. Maybe will see highlight clips, but no sense in watching all of it. I already know how I will vote.

If you are someone who needs to watch a debate to help you determine who you will vote for, it tells me you should not be voting because you are an emotionally driven, low information voter. We need less of that kind of voter, thank you very much.

I personally know people who brought up the idea of getting the next booster shots because "we just don't know how bad this variant will be." What this showed me was that this is not an issue of "seeing the same thing and interpreting it differently." Rather, we are looking at entirely different sources of information and these people have never had real exposure to anything contrary to the legacy media narrative.